Nick Smith Auckland Nat meeting open to public

[flyingcrocodile46]

Fuck waiting patiently. You'll most likely wake up to find him cleaning his dick on your curtains and it'll be too late then.

[flyingcrocodile46]

I believe one of our biggest challenges lies in removing the current focus on the bikes and bringing it instead onto motorcyclists as VOTERS.

For that to stick, we would need consistently huge turnouts so they can properly appreciate how many votes they will jeopardise. a turn out of 20 or 50 voters won't cut the mustard

[Kiwi Graham:Me]

I am somewhat more inclined to see an olive branch.

The email strikes a very different note to when I spoke to him on Monday night. Perhaps, we might cogitate on why that might be?

I will reserve judgement. The political world is seldom straight forward , or transparent.

Of course, we are not going to get what we want. Surely no-one expected that so soon. And what the final levy is set at is not going to make us happy. Surely everyone expected that?

But , remember, we have set this as a campaign of years, not weeks.

Our battle plan for the immediate present must be to stem the enemies advance. This is our Marne (but with bikes instead of taxis) .

I am happy with that email, not so much because of what it says, but because of what it implies.

I'm going to side with a optomistic hope that Nick Smith is wanting to maintain contact.

In the end any acceptance has to come with both sides maintaining their mana and feeling they have achieved a result. This can only be achieved with dialog otherwise there are only winners and loosers! Great if your the winner but.............!

Let the spokespeople of the various biker groups do the negotiating and we the rest maintain the pressure and keep our struggle in the media.

[Max Headroom]

I recall seeing somewhere that politicians have some mechanism whereby every letter they receive from a member of the public is calculated to represent a certain number of voters who share the same sentiments, based on the fact that the majority of people are too busy/lazy/illiterate to write a letter themselves. Perhaps someone "in the know" could confirm this.

I would suggest that our sustained pressure by email, letter and meeting attendence will increasingly become a concern based on numbers alone.

[Mom]

Email from Nick Smith

Replied to in similarly conciliatory tone

He is attempting to appease the bikers that bit him on the bum on Monday night is all. That will have been written by his spin doctors Les, nothing about what he actually means. Good to open the dialogue again for sure, but dont think for one minute he actually means what he says.

PS: I love the word cantankerous. Have never been called that before

However, I reckon we still have to keep up the protests, keep up the PR and start INCLUDING all the other affected groups....

Same rules as last time, but we go LOUDER
Was talking to head of security at Parliament....we wont be denied access

I have never been more sure of protest action having an effect as I was on Monday night when we got Dr Myth on the back foot. Much, much more of that sort of thing is what we need to do.

Massive ride/drive into Wellington will work, but imagine of it happened in Auckland as well Time for Nationwide finger uplifting methinks!

He has still not said anything to encourage me or any other motorcyclist to think that the levy's may well be coming back down.

This is the time to crank the pressure even more as far as I am concerned. We can not allow them to think we will relax. Some of us might, a lot of us wont!

Let the spokespeople of the various biker groups do the negotiating and we the rest maintain the pressure and keep our struggle in the media.

Absolutely! I am not planning to go away anytime soon.

[Ixion]

He is attempting to appease the bikers that bit him on the bum on Monday night is all. That will have been written by his spin doctors Les, nothing about what he actually means. Good to open the dialogue again for sure, but dont think for one minute he actually means what he says.

PS: I love the word cantankerous. Have never been called that before

...

yes, of course it was written by spin dctors. But WHY do the spin doctors think it politic to try to calm us down?

There are a number of possibilities. I don't want to explore them here, too many snoops watching. We can all discuss it in meatspace.

But think about that question. Mr Smith , on Monday night is playing hardball. ACC come back with an unequivical "get fucked you horrible bikers". And the spin doctors persuade Mr Smith to send a calming email. I wonder why?

Think about it.

[Mom]

Think about it.

I am Ixion, I really am.

[MSTRS:Me]

Think about it.

I have been, too. It hurts.

[scissorhands]

I think its a white feather to calm KB down. As being firm is ideal, and hard brittle things break when stressed

We dont need to be lulled into a false sense of security but we can pretend to be...

[martybabe]

He's not going to back down. And he's not going to do deals.
Fuck him. He's a cunt. And a liar.

Couldn't agree more, I'd certainly employ him as a defence lawyer,He's simply a bare faced, immoral, arrogant, purveyor of falsehoods for money and profit. I wouldn't trust the bastard with a $10 note never mind the future of ACC, BASTARD.

I believe one of our biggest challenges lies in removing the current focus on the bikes and bringing it instead onto motorcyclists as VOTERS.

I still think there's some mileage in this idea. They love pointing the finger at the scruffy oddball bikies as though that's all we are, some kind of slightly amusing/worrying underclass of people.

A subsection of society that no one really cares about, but we are fucking society, we have families and mortgages and cars...and votes. Maybe we should turn up in those cars, wear our suits and our uniforms our overalls and our swan drys, bring the kids and the grannies, have a picnic under the 'we ain't gonna vote for you Bastards' flags.

10,000 ordinary decent everyday New zealanders on parliament steps trying to save ACC from these money hungry politicians, never forgetting or betraying our routes though, I'm quite happy to stand there in my 'Normal Decent person' clothes and below BULLSHIT till I'm blue in the face.Corrupt money grabbing mudderfuggers

[martybabe]

I am Ixion, I really am.

You are not ixion, stop trying to confuse the old people!

[Mom]

You are not ixion, stop trying to confuse the old people!

Sorry

[idleidolidyll]

Reading between the lines he's telling you to bugger off on all topics except injury prevention. Well that's my take on it.

Here's the letter so you all don't have to open the word doc

Les,

I owe you an apology regarding your statement about BRONZ’s attitude to participating in improved programmes for motorcycle injury prevention and my response late into Monday night’s pretty cantankerous meeting.

Your email of 18 November was one of the many hundreds my office has received on motorcycles and was in the process of having a response prepared. I had not yet seen it.

I had taken from our previous discussion that BRONZ was not prepared to engage unless motorcycle levies were the same as for cars. This is clearly not going to happen. I took this pre-condition to mean that, in effect, you were not interested in engaging further. Your email does not set that pre-condition and I welcome that.

The Government is currently considering ACC’s recommendations. I understand BRONZ’s, and other bikers, strong views on the levies and will take this into account in my recommendations to Cabinet.

I am keen to work with BRONZ on the ongoing issue of injury prevention regardless of this decision and will be in touch to advance the issues you raise in your email.

Yours sincerely,

Nick Smith

I reckon its a done deal as far as they are concerned, the final figures have been set already by the Nats.
Nothing will change now unless there is a full scale uprising of more than just bikers!
My 2c

The time has come to fuck up New Zealands traffic system!

[flyingcrocodile46]

The whole process has been a game (like the overcooked recommendations for playing catch up with Oz)

They are doing what any smart trader does. If $100 is your bottom line then start by asking for $500 and then convince the prospective buyer that you're a good guy by cutting the price by 50 or 70%.

Suckers fall for it all the time. Are you a sucker?

[jafar]

The time has come to fuck up New Zealands traffic system!

Too late !! It is already fucked up