The bigger picture.

[jeffs]

"We should fall over less"

I should hope this is every bikers bed time mantra.

Good on you Ixion

[jeffs]

perception is working against us.

Sorry Oscar Not meaning to shoot you down, not my intention

But What us ? There are so many people arguing over this on this site, there does not feel like an us.

Sorry to ask, Ixion is there another biker web site in NZ, one where people do not just fight ?

I have been on rides with Ixion, and I know where he is coming from, I don't get people like Katman, and thats a world I want to stay in.

[Oscar]

Sorry Oscar Not meaning to shoot you down, not my intention

But What us ? There are so many people arguing over this on this site, there does not feel like an us.

Sorry to ask, Ixion is there another biker web site in NZ, one where people do not just fight ?

I have been on rides with Ixion, and I know where he is coming from, I don't get people like Katman, and thats a world I want to stay in.

I agree.
There is no Us .
There is no cogent group.
That's why ACC can do what they're doing.

My comment was partly directed at the fact that some motorcyclists' attitudes and actions affect other motorcyclists. And yes, this is inherently unfair - some car drivers are wankers, but they get to have their own group: "boy racers" or "hoons".

But motorcyclists are all "bikers" (how I loath that word) to the general public. I guarantee that when any non-motorcyclist you know saw the pic/video of Carver on the Fairfield Bridge, they thought of you.

That's what we're stuck with, so if Katman wants to try and change it (even a little bit), from within - more power to his arm.

[DMNTD:Me]

That's what we're stuck with, so if Katman wants to try and change it (even a little bit), from within - more power to his arm.

Agreed......

[Ixion]

Why then have I heard you mumble under your breath many times "Perhaps we could all just try to fall over less"?

Perhaps because "falling over" tends to leave bleeding injured or dead bikers?

Or , to turn your question on its head, if you had an absolute guarantee that there would be no ACC rises no matter how many bikers were killed or injured , would you then stop bothering to try to persuade people to ride safely?

No, nor would I .

Bikers not being killed or injured is something to strive for in its own right. No just because the crashes cost money.

[MSTRS:Me]

Bikers not being killed or injured is something to strive for in its own right. Not just because the crashes cost money.

Blingo !!

[PrincessBandit]

Perhaps because "falling over" tends to leave bleeding injured or dead bikers?

Or , to turn your question on its head, if you had an absolute guarantee that there would be no ACC rises no matter how many bikers were killed or injured , would you then stop bothering to try to persuade people to ride safely?

No, nor would I .

Bikers not being killed or injured is something to strive for in its own right. No just because the crashes cost money.

Blingo !!

Soooo, now we sit back and wait for it to happen. Holding breath for 20 seconds so far....

[Kickaha]

Soooo, now we sit back and wait for it to happen. Holding breath for 20 seconds so far....

Are you turning blue yet?

[Katman]

Perhaps because "falling over" tends to leave bleeding injured or dead bikers?

Or , to turn your question on its head, if you had an absolute guarantee that there would be no ACC rises no matter how many bikers were killed or injured , would you then stop bothering to try to persuade people to ride safely?

No, nor would I .

Bikers not being killed or injured is something to strive for in its own right. No just because the crashes cost money.

See, I always knew we were on the same wavelength Les.

It's almost like we're.........http://i.allstarpics.net/images/orig...y058160y8i.jpg

[Bass]

It's almost like we're.........http://i.allstarpics.net/images/orig...y058160y8i.jpg

Well bugger me! (with a great big long buggering stick)

I can see the resemblance!

[snuffles]

See, I always knew we were on the same wavelength Les.

It's almost like we're.........http://i.allstarpics.net/images/orig...y058160y8i.jpg

See there is some hope for humanity, not all people who ride bikes are complete dickheads, and some of us do have a brain in our body.....and hope to keep it on the inside of skulls, not the inside of our helmets

[Katman]

I can see the resemblance!

I'm the taller one though.

[Bass]

I'm the taller one though.

Ah right...........
I stand corrected then.

[telliman]

without reading the hole thread, the point i want to make is that acc levys is based on the RISK of injury,you roadys seem to think that your the victim or something because of the fact/non fact statistics that the politicians are using for reasons, the fact is that you are at a far greater risk of injury or death than other road users and imo have got away with the apple pie long enough!being that i am a roofing contractor i pay a far higher acc rate than most others, and trust me acc is through the roof these days (excuse the pun) but its my chossen job so i get on with it, you should do the same!

being a dirt rider i look foward to your response!

[Katman]

without reading the hole thread, the point i want to make is that acc levys is based on the RISK of injury,you roadys seem to think that your the victim or something because of the fact/non fact statistics that the politicians are using for reasons, the fact is that you are at a far greater risk of injury or death than other road users and imo have got away with the apple pie long enough!being that i am a roofing contractor i pay a far higher acc rate than most others, and trust me acc is through the roof these days (excuse the pun) but its my chossen job so i get on with it, you should do the same!

being a dirt rider i look foward to your response!

My response?

All dirt bikes should be registered (like they are in Australia).

Then you guys could start paying your own way.