Bikers able to live with ACC rise?

[NONONO]

Sorry Ixion, Bollocks.
No I never thought that the argument would be won in a few weeks, nor did I think that we could win in the long run by accepting gradual increases to a pre determined level set before this bullshit started.
Did YOU seriously expect that the original figure was what they expected to get through?
Every time we accept that our principles are dilutable we achieve a loss. This puts us in the position of trying to win back our losses as the only available strategy. Any gambler will tell you that's a no win situation.
"WE" have ACCEPTED support from no one. Parties have supported us.
And I am grateful to no bastard for charging me more than is fair.
I have ridden 30 odd years and made no claims on ACC. I am willing to pay my share in the interests of No Fault cover.
I WILL NOT accept a slap as better than a kick.

[Ixion]

We'll all be right behind you !

[NONONO]

I'm beginning to doubt that

[CrAzYMoFo]

Sorry Ixion, Bollocks.
No I never thought that the argument would be won in a few weeks, nor did I think that we could win in the long run by accepting gradual increases to a pre determined level set before this bullshit started.
Did YOU seriously expect that the original figure was what they expected to get through?
Every time we accept that our principles are dilutable we achieve a loss. This puts us in the position of trying to win back our losses as the only available strategy. Any gambler will tell you that's a no win situation.
"WE" have ACCEPTED support from no one. Parties have supported us.
And I am grateful to no bastard for charging me more than is fair.
I have ridden 30 odd years and made no claims on ACC. I am willing to pay my share in the interests of No Fault cover.
I WILL NOT accept a slap as better than a kick.

+1 its like saying i only beat him half to death... i could have beat him all the way. as a defence in court

[taff1954]

The parity argument IS principle. Of course we "accept" the hike - there is no way , short of armed revolution, that you can prevent it .You don't have to pay it of course, that option is as valid as ever, just the numbers have changed a bit. Accepting that is no reason not to continue the campaign for a change to the principles.

Hear, hear. The fact remains that a move toward risk assessment exists, as does the threat of (at least partial) privatisation of ACC. Those are two principles we should be more than willing to continue the fight for.

[Ixion]

The comment was actually intended for Mr Peasea. But we will all be bhind anyone who can find a way to "not accept" the rises. That will be the sum on the letters that the rego people send you. how will you "not accept " it? You can not pay, of course, and ride unregistered. As many of us have done for years. But that is hardly "not accepting" them. Will you voluntarily pay the higher amount demanded by Mr Judge?

[CrAzYMoFo]

The comment was actually intended for Mr Peasea. But we will all be bhind anyone who can find a way to "not accept" the rises. That will be the sum on the letters that the rego people send you. how will you "not accept " it? You can not pay, of course, and ride unregistered. As many of us have done for years. But that is hardly "not accepting" them. Will you voluntarily pay the higher amount demanded by Mr Judge?

nope do what i sudgested in another post send them a letter paying the rego and admin fees..

just dont pay the acc part

send it 2 them by mail (dont expect a rego card back)

and hey u paied rego not acc lol

[knuckles24]

as the president of b.r.o.n.z where do you go from here.

[wingrider]

Just so. Although still *unfair*, and large enough to be a burden, a rise of $174 a year (and about $75 for <600cc) should not see any mass sales of bikes, or great sacrifices needing to be made. Put the sum in context - it's one less beer a fortnight, roughly. I doubt that many riders could justly claim that their budgets were that tight.

It's still not fair. And the mechanism whereby ACC can just dream up a crushing figure is wrong.

We need to fight on. But the focus now needs to be solely on the Big Hairy Audacious Demand - the one we set at the very start - abolition of the separate classification.

Complaining about the amount of dollars now will quickly see the public turn against us, as a bunch of moaners.

In military terms, we were invaded by an enemy in apparently overwhelming strength. We have beaten back the attack, at a cost , but *motorcycling* (as opposed to our wallets) is safe. Now we need to counterattack.

Sorry Les but I know of a lot of riders who are scratchin their heads as to how they are going to fund the increase when on a fixed income with no chance of it increasing. They gave up drinkin quite a while ago.
As to the rest of your quote I agree.

A massive campaign getting Joe Q educated as to the REAL intent of national and the implications it will have on everyone.

Change the focus from money( size of the original hikes) to quality of life and affordability with fairness and equity.

ACC was to ensure that we would ALL be treated fairly in the event of "accidental injury".

We need to support those such as them that will now not receive any help if the suffer from hearing loss, are raped or sexually assulted etc.

Its the proposed cuts in services that are of more concern as they could affect us as bikers as well as our children and grandchildren.

We need to be shouting BULLSHIT at these proposals just as loud as we shouted it at our levy increase.

[Headbanger]

I'd like to see a mass boycott, If we are worth our words then we should all be refusing to re-register our bikes.

Its up to us to allow them to do only what we decide is acceptable, They can get fucked. If we don't pay, they don't have our money, and it is all our money those cunts are fucking with.

And yeah, My budget is that tight, The beer fridge is empty. I'm sick of taxes.

[NONONO]

The comment was actually intended for Mr Peasea. But we will all be bhind anyone who can find a way to "not accept" the rises. That will be the sum on the letters that the rego people send you. how will you "not accept " it? You can not pay, of course, and ride unregistered. As many of us have done for years. But that is hardly "not accepting" them. Will you voluntarily pay the higher amount demanded by Mr Judge?

Ixion.
As someone who has admired what you have done so far and watched you stand up to Smith on more than one occasion, I have no wish to get into a slanging match.
In answer to your question 'how do we not accept"? Well, we keep doing what we have been doing.
We refuse to accept the Hike, we protest it at every opportunity, we demand parity, we do whatever we can. We organize protests, we Bikeoi, we write to the papers. We say "Why us and Who's next?"
We can't accept this rise, not now, not ever, or we are the wedge which Smith uses to keep the door open for privatization

[Jizah]

Someone needs to setup a poll, see just how many people still want to carry on the protest.

[Str8 Jacket]

Someone needs to setup a poll

You're fucken kidding me, right?!

[Jizah]

You're fucken kidding me, right?!

By your reaction I am guessing I missed something. Which isn't surprising, I've only had about 2 minutes of total exposure to today's news.

[Headbanger]

Fuck the poll, This isn't over just because Les can personally afford the increase.

Fuck me, I'm sure a heap of people could afford the original increase but they still came along and showed their support for the cause.

Why?, Cause its BULLSHIT.