Approach to the future of our cause

[drummer]

OK.. here's the go.. all of you who want open war and support public annoyance... I do not support you so stick to your threads about war and "shutting down cities".. stick to your hairy biker mentalities... whilst others like myself will try a little intelligence and thinking.. you do it your way and see what happens.. we'll do it our way.. and guess what... we both have the same objective I think.. mine is changing policy... because changing government is not going to promise us that we will have a different outcome.. that is a fact chaps and chapess's

Peter

[drummer]

scooters are gay

Apart from that amazing piece of literarcy I have never seen two scooters make love...

Peter

[bogan]

OK.. here's the go.. all of you who want open war and support public annoyance... I do not support you so stick to your threads about war and "shutting down cities".. stick to your hairy biker mentalities... whilst others like myself will try a little intelligence and thinking.. you do it your way and see what happens.. we'll do it our way.. and guess what... we both have the same objective I think.. mine is changing policy... because changing government is not going to promise us that we will have a different outcome.. that is a fact chaps and chapess's

Peter

what exactly is your way? dont do anything to get public off side, I get that, but what will you actually do?

[drummer]

what exactly is your way? dont do anything to get public off side, I get that, but what will you actually do?

The first thing is to organise a structured programme that sees people in each electorate... especially every Nat electorate or Nat list MP area organised to put pressure on the weakest links within the Nat party. In particular I believe that a co-ordinated group pressuring and looking over the back of the MP's, the branch and area chairman and branches will work. To do this we need to embrace the concept of inclusivity... to talk with and recruit motorcyclists and scooter riders outside of our normal KB community which is (surprising to some here) a minority of bike riders. I know many bike and scooter riders... only one I know vaguely even knows about KB and is even interested in being on discussion groups.

However a lot of these people are politically minded and think very strong views about where the country was going under labour and many feel betrayed by some policies that the Nats have instigated. Lets not beat around the bush... the demographic of the people I mix with are 70 to 80% National supporters.. its a blue ribbon area here in eastern bays... they love JK... are they wrong ... no.. not from their point of view. However these same people aren't happy in general about ALL things National.. in other words there are a large number of riders who support National but not all their policies.. but they earn enough to not be too concerned... these people do like a good political fight though... and I believe that many if not most electorates contain people like this... some more than others obviously. Thats why e target Nat electorates first especially safe ones..

My conclusion is that we as KB members are missing a huge audience because of an apparent majoirty inherent hatred here of National.. I want to see POLICY change.. and the way I believe to do that is how I have described... attend public and as many party meetings as poss... for example the AGM's.. imagine for a moment if we could get a groundswell of Nat supporters telling their MP's they are making a mistake...

The facts surrounding bikes and scooters show the demographic changing.. many more proffessionals and younger scooterists... a lot of trendy cafe's now with scoots outside... many of these people need to be recruited as they are aready politically minded and ready to fire for us... IF we come across as intelligent. I don't think shutting down cities sounds intelligent to these people... not the ones I speak with..

So.. a game plan.. at first: One good strongminded intelligent person per electorate... a spokesman or woman so to speak... They learn who their local MP is... they learn the local reporters, local papers... pressure groups clubs etc. Then those people build their team around them... by recruiting a good team of strong individuals who don't hate National, Labour or whoever but HATE the road that ACC is going down if these unfair levies are allowed to continue. We then pressue the indivual MP's through meetings as mentioned... pressure the AGM's... even try taking over a branch if poss... there are some very small branches out there and it wouldn't be hard... If you think for one moment that I am trying to recruit for the Nats... that would be wrong.. I'm actually banned from the Nats... I am saying we need to try anything that infultrates the current government and puts pressure on them to change.. if Labour was in power I would say the same thing... I am not suggesting a massive signup for any party but perhaps a few LOUD voices within the very organisation that by a change in leglisation is hurting us will have an effect along with other tactics. To distance one's self from your so-called enemy is to reduce the chance of hitting them where it hurts...

Remember always..,. Goverments make change.. and that change comes from people power within the party concerned... we fundementally need to change their perception of what ACC should be about and maintain the original principles outlined by Woodhouse... Remember fear of losing poer is THE most potent weapon... and once your very own people on the ground turn... then a government is in real trouble... if you think it can't be done... study Aussie politics... especially Queensland!

So the first step.. and I hope organisations like Bronz will come aboard.. is to establish that one person per electorate..

Hope this explains a few things..

Peter

[NONONO]

Peter.
Sounds like you are in the best place to do this, not Bronz, Ulysses or KB.
Go for it, set it up and manage it. Whats to stop you?
Put your 5th column on the ground, you must have the contacts and know Nats, ex Nats and others who might understand. They don't have to be bikers.
What are you looking for from KB? You don't need a mandate from here.
Sorry I can't assist, I come out in a rash around the Nats. Would be a dead giveaway.

[MSTRS:Me]

We don't need the public to be on our side or support us, what we need is for the public to realise that they too, are going to be shafted, then they will join with us!

Read what you said.. "DON'T NEED THE PUBLIC ON OUR SIDE... " then you ant them to join us.. I am confused... what I want is for them NOT to be offside!

Obviously plain English isn't clear enough?
The public may or may not agree that motorcyclists are being shafted. If they do agree that we are being shafted, then it can be said that they support us. Great, but it's not their fight, is it? Even with their support from the sidelines, we have a hard fight with little chance of success, because essentially we are a small number of people on our own. However, if we are smart, we will see to it that the public understand that they are being shafted too, then they will add their voices to ours ON THEIR OWN BEHALF. Because THEN they have a vested interest in seeing this situation rectified.

[bogan]

The first thing is to organise a structured programme that sees people in each electorate... especially every Nat electorate or Nat list MP area organised to put pressure on the weakest links within the Nat party. In particular I believe that a co-ordinated group pressuring and looking over the back of the MP's, the branch and area chairman and branches will work. To do this we need to embrace the concept of inclusivity... to talk with and recruit motorcyclists and scooter riders outside of our normal KB community which is (surprising to some here) a minority of bike riders. I know many bike and scooter riders... only one I know vaguely even knows about KB and is even interested in being on discussion groups.

However a lot of these people are politically minded and think very strong views about where the country was going under labour and many feel betrayed by some policies that the Nats have instigated. Lets not beat around the bush... the demographic of the people I mix with are 70 to 80% National supporters.. its a blue ribbon area here in eastern bays... they love JK... are they wrong ... no.. not from their point of view. However these same people aren't happy in general about ALL things National.. in other words there are a large number of riders who support National but not all their policies.. but they earn enough to not be too concerned... these people do like a good political fight though... and I believe that many if not most electorates contain people like this... some more than others obviously. Thats why e target Nat electorates first especially safe ones..

My conclusion is that we as KB members are missing a huge audience because of an apparent majoirty inherent hatred here of National.. I want to see POLICY change.. and the way I believe to do that is how I have described... attend public and as many party meetings as poss... for example the AGM's.. imagine for a moment if we could get a groundswell of Nat supporters telling their MP's they are making a mistake...

The facts surrounding bikes and scooters show the demographic changing.. many more proffessionals and younger scooterists... a lot of trendy cafe's now with scoots outside... many of these people need to be recruited as they are aready politically minded and ready to fire for us... IF we come across as intelligent. I don't think shutting down cities sounds intelligent to these people... not the ones I speak with..

So.. a game plan.. at first: One good strongminded intelligent person per electorate... a spokesman or woman so to speak... They learn who their local MP is... they learn the local reporters, local papers... pressure groups clubs etc. Then those people build their team around them... by recruiting a good team of strong individuals who don't hate National, Labour or whoever but HATE the road that ACC is going down if these unfair levies are allowed to continue. We then pressue the indivual MP's through meetings as mentioned... pressure the AGM's... even try taking over a branch if poss... there are some very small branches out there and it wouldn't be hard... If you think for one moment that I am trying to recruit for the Nats... that would be wrong.. I'm actually banned from the Nats... I am saying we need to try anything that infultrates the current government and puts pressure on them to change.. if Labour was in power I would say the same thing... I am not suggesting a massive signup for any party but perhaps a few LOUD voices within the very organisation that by a change in leglisation is hurting us will have an effect along with other tactics. To distance one's self from your so-called enemy is to reduce the chance of hitting them where it hurts...

Remember always..,. Goverments make change.. and that change comes from people power within the party concerned... we fundementally need to change their perception of what ACC should be about and maintain the original principles outlined by Woodhouse... Remember fear of losing poer is THE most potent weapon... and once your very own people on the ground turn... then a government is in real trouble... if you think it can't be done... study Aussie politics... especially Queensland!

So the first step.. and I hope organisations like Bronz will come aboard.. is to establish that one person per electorate..

Hope this explains a few things..

Peter

theres a lot of waffling going on in that post, try wrtiting just the main points down. for example

Form groups in each electorate to target national MPs
Inform all bikers of any plans
Try reasoning with MP's etc to change thier minds


And seriously, you think showing them reasons to back down on the ACC levy issue is going to work? they have blatantly and deliberately published misleading and false information to futhur their own agendas, what makes you think they will listen to reason? We must force them to change thier minds, by gathering public opinion for our cause, or by creating enough inconvenience to make them give in.

[drummer]

what exactly is your way? dont do anything to get public off side, I get that, but what will you actually do?

The first thing is to organise a structured programme that sees people in each electorate... especially every Nat electorate or Nat list MP area orgaised to put pressure on the eakest links ithin the Nat party. In particular I believe that a co-ordinated group pressuring and looking over the back of the MP's, the branch and area chairman and branches will work. To do this e need to embrace the concept of inclusivity... to talk with and recruit motorcyclists and scooter riders outside of our normal KB community which is (surprising to some here) a minority of bike riders. I know many bike and scooter riders... only one I know vaguely even knows about KB and is even interested in being on discussion groups.

However a lot of these people are politically minded and think very strong views about where the country was going under labour and many feel betrayed by some policies that the Nats have instigated. Lets not beat around the bush... the demographic of the people I mix with are 70 to 80% National supporters.. its a blue ribbon area here in eastern bays... they love JK... are they wrong ... no.. not from their point of view. However these same people aren't happy in general about ALL things National.. in other words there are a large number of riders who support National but not all their policies..

My conclusion is that e as KB members are missing a huge audience because of an apparent inherent hatred here of National.. I want to see POLICY change.. and the way I believe to do that is how I have described... attend public and as many party meetings as poss... for example the AGM's.. imagine for a moment if e could get a groundswell of Nat supporters telling their MP's they are making a mistake...

The facts surrounding bikes and scooters show the demographic changing.. many more proffessionals and younger scooterists... a lot of trendy cafe's now ith scoots outside... many of these people need to be recruited as they are aready politically minded and ready to fire for us... IF e come across as intelligent.

So.. a game plan.. at first One good strongminded intelligent person per electorate... a spokesman or woman so to speak... They learn who their local MP is... they learn the local reporters, local papers... pressure groups clubs etc. Then those people build their team around them... by recruiting a good team of strong individuals who don't hate National, Labour or whoever but HATE the road that ACC is going down if these unfair levies are allowed to continue. We then pressue the indivual MP's through meetings as mentioned... pressure the AGM's... even try taking over a branch if poss... there are some very small branches out there and it wouldn't be hard... If you think for one moment that I am trying to recruit for the Nats... that would be wrong.. I'm banned from the Nats... I am saying e need to try anything that infultrates the current government and puts pressure on them to change.. if Labour was in power I would say the same thing... I am notr suggesting a massive signup for any party but perhaps a few LOUD voices within the very organisation that by a change in leglisation is hurting us will have an effect along ith other tactics. To distance one's self from your so-called enemy is to reduce the chance of hitting them where it hurts...

Remember always..,. Goverments make change.. and that change comes from people power within the party concerned... we fundementally need to change their perception of what ACC should be about and maintain the original principles outlined by Woodhouse... Remember fear of losing poer is THE most potent weapon... and once your very own people on the ground turn... then a government is in real trouble...

So the first step.. and I hope organisations like Bronz will come aboard.. is to establish that one person per electorate..

Hope this explains a few things..

Peter

[drummer]

to keep it in the top threads.. read it folks

[drummer]

Peter
You may not be a unionist but so what, others may be.
Try and keep a sense of perspective.

Fair enuf.. I accept that

Peter

[sinfull]

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Nice bike !!!

to keep it in the top threads.. read it folks

Read what ? Your waffeling on about getting one person in each electorate ? Building a team around them ? Jeeeesus H Christ ! Are you using this campaign to try and gather momentum for a right wing split ? Or is that left wing ? Who cares ! I read one post where you said "trust me !" That was a gimme that fucka ! Your roots stood out big time there !!
Here's whats at the top of the threads !

[drummer]

Nice bike !!!


Read what ? Your waffeling on about getting one person in each electorate ? Building a team around them ? Jeeeesus H Christ ! Are you using this campaign to try and gather momentum for a right wing split ? Or is that left wing ? Who cares ! I read one post where you said "trust me !" That was a gimme that fucka ! Your roots stood out big time there !!
Here's whats at the top of the threads !

In case u hadn't noticed.. I am bowing out of this... too much arguing, and its turning into a Nat bashing exercise that I believe is not only going to fail but also will alienate many many people... surprisingly to some here, not all bikers are on this forum.. I used to ask myself why.. it is potentually a great way to air your views... but sadly the ACC threads are turning into a giant slanging match..

So.. go right ahead... I'll let the rest of you argue amongst yourselves... and as far as ACC goes... well I'll protest in my own way...

Good luck and thanks to those who have chatted sensibly about it... but folks... its deveoping into a leftist action group... and I can't agree with that...

The quote "Trust me" referred to my knowledge of the Nats... and thats was that... taking it out of context further makes me distance myself.. I have a certain honour and belief system and it does not include making war...

One of my students... an 8 year old drummer... has a teeshirt... "War is for the weak" and this is so true..

Anyhow.. as said.. good luck... we could have done a lot more... but not the way its headed.. a few bikers arguing about politics will not change the mind of the people.. and thats what politics is about..

Peter

[shrub]

In case u hadn't noticed.. I am bowing out of this... too much arguing, and its turning into a Nat bashing exercise that I believe is not only going to fail but also will alienate many many people...
Peter

I think we need to look beyond lobbying National candidates because the next election is nearly 2 years away, and that is altogether too long. We need a professionally run interest group with professional lobbyists and PR people to lobby ALL politicians from all parties (especially the ones on our side), local government, police, transport, LTSA, ACC etc.