Assaults on police and the penalty thereof

**Usarka** · 24th February 2010, 12:21

Originally Posted by Winston001

You overlook the fact that it is a police officer's duty to actively put himself in the way of harm. The average citizen - cabbie, shopkeeper - can rightfully run away, they aren't employed to intervene in assaults and criminal behaviour. .

I'd suggest a shitload of victims of serious assault didn't have the option of running away.

Cops however are often going into a situation knowingly, and do have the option of calling for reinforcements or employing weapons and/or training.

**peasea** · 24th February 2010, 23:19

While there is the smallest inkling of sympathy in my mind for cops who get bashed trying to do the 'right thing' there is an overwhelming sense of 'who gives a fuck' for the gung-ho attitude of many cops. They think they're god, indestructable and ten-foot tall. Pity that reality bites.

"Oh look, a band of youths having some biffo, I'll wade in with my larger than life persona and sort that out toot sweet."

"Fuck off, ya knob, we're gonna kick ya head in."

There appears to be a fine line between knob and hero and while I don't condone the actions of the attackers I would have thought it prudent to make a call or two before playing ref' in a street brawl. Mind you, 'gung-ho' seems to be the call of the Bluebottle Brigade of late.

Perhaps the (out of uniform, off-duty) cop had been having a tipple with a pilot and wasn't thinking straight.

**Toaster** · 25th February 2010, 00:17

Originally Posted by peasea

While there is the smallest inkling of sympathy in my mind for cops who get bashed trying to do the 'right thing' there is an overwhelming sense of 'who gives a fuck' for the gung-ho attitude of many cops. They think they're god, indestructable and ten-foot tall. Pity that reality bites.

"Oh look, a band of youths having some biffo, I'll wade in with my larger than life persona and sort that out toot sweet."

"Fuck off, ya knob, we're gonna kick ya head in."

There appears to be a fine line between knob and hero and while I don't condone the actions of the attackers I would have thought it prudent to make a call or two before playing ref' in a street brawl. Mind you, 'gung-ho' seems to be the call of the Bluebottle Brigade of late.

Perhaps the (out of uniform, off-duty) cop had been having a tipple with a pilot and wasn't thinking straight.

Based on the facts presented in the media (partial and incomplete) it didn't seem to be his best move to jump into a group fight without on duty backup on the way.... (then again they may have been called). Irrespective of his attitude, which is unknown to us, it was not a beating anyone - cop or not - deserved. He is lucky to be alive.

**BoristheBiter** · 25th February 2010, 06:51

Originally Posted by peasea

While there is the smallest inkling of sympathy in my mind for cops who get bashed trying to do the 'right thing' there is an overwhelming sense of 'who gives a fuck' for the gung-ho attitude of many cops. They think they're god, indestructable and ten-foot tall. Pity that reality bites.

"Oh look, a band of youths having some biffo, I'll wade in with my larger than life persona and sort that out toot sweet."

"Fuck off, ya knob, we're gonna kick ya head in."

There appears to be a fine line between knob and hero and while I don't condone the actions of the attackers I would have thought it prudent to make a call or two before playing ref' in a street brawl. Mind you, 'gung-ho' seems to be the call of the Bluebottle Brigade of late.

Perhaps the (out of uniform, off-duty) cop had been having a tipple with a pilot and wasn't thinking straight.

I guess in your case there is no fine line you are a complete nob because you would never be anyone's hero.

**Dave Lobster** · 25th February 2010, 07:40

Originally Posted by BoristheBiter

I guess in your case there is no fine line you are a complete nob because you would never be anyone's hero.

Nowadays, 'heroes' are sports personalities, and their celebrity ilk, rather than people of value.

I'd gladly not be a hero.

**peasea** · 25th February 2010, 15:51

Originally Posted by BoristheBiter

I guess in your case there is no fine line you are a complete nob because you would never be anyone's hero.

And you say this because?

**peasea** · 25th February 2010, 15:59

Originally Posted by Dave Lobster

Nowadays, 'heroes' are sports personalities, and their celebrity ilk, rather than people of value.

You're right on the money there and let's count up the number of times these new-age heroes (who are supposed to be role models) are found guilty of things like bashing their wives/partners, getting into drunken brawls in bars, drink driving, drug abuse or being involved in some sort of fraud scheme. I don't recall Charles Upham, Keith Park, Ernest Rutherford or Ed Hillary being involved in such antics. Good point DL.

**BoristheBiter** · 26th February 2010, 06:56

Originally Posted by peasea

And you say this because?

looking at this and other posts that you have written, this seems to be the persona you are displaying. if it is wrong then you might want to look at your posts.

**Winston001** · 26th February 2010, 13:52

Originally Posted by peasea

You're right on the money there and let's count up the number of times these new-age heroes (who are supposed to be role models) are found guilty of things like bashing their wives/partners, getting into drunken brawls in bars, drink driving, drug abuse or being involved in some sort of fraud scheme. I don't recall Charles Upham, Keith Park, Ernest Rutherford or Ed Hillary being involved in such antics. Good point DL.

Mmmm......there are 10,000 police officers in NZ so the odds are a few of them will fail from time to time. To be honest, I can't even remember recent cases of police officers doing what you allege. There were the famous cases involving Rickards, Schollum et al and the guy who faked Reservoir Dogs torture but little else.

I suggest that if you really want a group to rail against with contempt then you need look no further than the directors of the recently failed finance companies including Blue Chip. These people still live wealthy lifestyles while many of their investors lost their life savings. The harm these cretin con-men have done to our elderly is incomprehensible. Simply evil.

**peasea** · 26th February 2010, 13:59

Originally Posted by BoristheBiter

looking at this and other posts that you have written, this seems to be the persona you are displaying. if it is wrong then you might want to look at your posts.

What's wrong with them?

**peasea** · 26th February 2010, 14:01

Originally Posted by Winston001

Mmmm......there are 10,000 police officers in NZ so the odds are a few of them will fail from time to time. To be honest, I can't even remember recent cases of police officers doing what you allege. There were the famous cases involving Rickards, Schollum et al and the guy who faked Reservoir Dogs torture but little else.

I suggest that if you really want a group to rail against with contempt then you need look no further than the directors of the recently failed finance companies including Blue Chip. These people still live wealthy lifestyles while many of their investors lost their life savings. The harm these cretin con-men have done to our elderly is incomprehensible. Simply evil.

You're not wrong, they should be strung up and their assets sold to repay (some) of what investors lost.

**scumdog** · 26th February 2010, 14:31

Originally Posted by Big Dave

I'd give them fuck-off big guns like in Aus.
Mess with a Cop over there and you bleed.
End of issue.

Damn right, I like your style!

**meteor** · 26th February 2010, 19:11

Originally Posted by peasea

.... They think they're god, indestructable and ten-foot tall.
"Oh look, a band of youths having some biffo, I'll wade in...
Mind you, 'gung-ho' seems to be the call of the Bluebottle Brigade of late.

You've made it pretty clear that you've struck some bad apples... they're not all like that... and to be fair most have a sense of duty to do the right thing and have taken an oath to uphold the law regardless of fear or favour which doesn't stop at 4pm when the office closes. This guy tried to do that what was right and some little fuck hit him from behind then they all waded in... gutless wee mongrels... and I'd bet they'd be the same ones who'd be the first to ring if life wasn't going their way! Should we take it as a lesson that we should all stand back and not at least try to take some responsibility for our own neighbourhoods and expect the police not to either... if so then we surely have lost. In my mind he was being heroic and the gutless wee fuckers should be erased from the gene pool!

**peasea** · 26th February 2010, 22:33

Originally Posted by meteor

You've made it pretty clear that you've struck some bad apples...

Ya think?

I haven't condoned the attacker's actions. Just trying to draw awareness to the fact that gung-ho actions by individuals often end in tears, uniform or nay. I still say wading in without backup wasn't the guy's smartest move. Never said his intentions were not honourable. Honourable/smart? Where are my scales?