Police killing us again!

[Pixie]

i challenge you to find any commodore that 'holds together' better than a camry. or even a mondeo for that fact

Made a warranty claim for a comodore that burst it's auto trans - they tried to tell me it was being driven too fast.
piece of shit

[Pixie]

Err, the Ford Crown Victoria is the US patrol car of choice, all 4.6 litres and 2 tonnes of it.
In fact 100 of millions of people round the world have their roads patrolled with these type of cars.

It may also interest you to know that the acknowledged world leaders in adapted law enforcement models are BMW and they sell a lot of units into Europe, mainly in a traffic role.

The crown vic is going out of production....and guess what? the aussies are trying to sell comodores to the yanks as replacements

[Smifffy]

Wow!

Now THERE'S a quantum leap of logic!

No leap of logic, nor twisting of words required. This thread was always about bashing the cops because one of them turned into the path of an oncoming motorcycle. It was never about bashing the cops for arriving late to a domestic dispute - we might save that for another slow news day

The suggestion was made that for some road policing a smaller vehicle maybe more appropriate, which was replied to with obfuscatory comments such as the one regarding officers being late to domestic disputes, and someone's sister dying. That was the original leap of logic right there.

Oh, there was also something about having enough room in the rear so that two officers could assault accompany a prisoner cuffed in the back.

[avgas]

Fair enough, but it doesn't answer the question. I know it's an old-age tradition, but what's the reason?

Why go without a helmet at a biker's funeral?

To look cool apparently

[avgas]

The crown vic is going out of production....and guess what? the aussies are trying to sell comodores to the yanks as replacements

To add salt to the wound - the competitor for the G8 Polizie is a Taurus.......

[avgas]

i am saying you should use MORE practical cars. with the exception of australia and the us no other country in the world uses commodore class vehicles for policing. our roads and requirements would be more closely aligned with what they use in the uk or europe.

commodure fuel consumption 11.8litres/100km
camry 8.8litres/100km

Full offence. Your argument is full of shit and you obviously know fuck all.
Telling people to join the police force - and you will give them a camry is like saying you enjoy wanking for the physical excercise. I don't know fuck all people who would join the cop shop if they had camry's.
Now down to the nitty gritty - camry's while they are good cars for taking the family to the supermarket.....handle like a boat in stormy weather. Anyone who has driven one or owns one will tell you this. The 2.4L donk is quick enough (unless you lucky to get a v6) - but the suspension is soft, and its front wheel drive. So turning circle is HUGE. Very comfy back seat - which is actually useless for a cop car.
As for your argument about Ford Mondeo being reliable - I would guess you have NEVER owned one. They are cheap sacks of shit. EVERY MONDEO OWNER WILL TELL YOU THEY ARE CRAP. Not to mention they have horrible 'transmission gremlins'. Focus is not much better. Go look at the resale value of these cars - there is a reason they are cheap.
No but seriously tell us how changing the cop cars are going to make them better drivers. Its attitudes like this that have fucked the planeless airforce, tankless army and battleshipless navy in NZ.....

[bogan]

And that's what started this whole thread. There are 2 opposing arguments in regard to speed; that the one going fast could have stopped before hitting the bad driver (the Police car) had he been going slower, and that it is entirely the fault of the Police car.

Now, we don't know how fast the bike was going, so why are we all speculating before we know at all? The best we will ever be able to do is let the Serious Crash guys make an estimate based on the physical evidence. This is normally a pretty good estimate, but is still only an estimate.

Let's not forget that most crashes are a result of a combination of factors, rarely just one single cause. Based solely on the photos I have only seen on KB, this was truly an awful place to do a U-turn or 3 point turn. The bike may have been going too fast to be able to avoid the Police car, but we don't know. The ute is what caused the Police driver to commence the U-turn or 3 point turn, apparently exacerbated by target fixation. It's not like the Police driver was just turning to get to the next donut shop.

Until this one plays out in court (Coroners or District), we are all just speculating.

As has been said before, many believe it is irrelevant how fast the bike was going, and also irrelevant why the cop was turning around. Looking at the bigger picture, this shit has to stop, cops should know better, and should be trained better etc, just look at the what coppie did thread, it isn't an isolated incident.

[Swoop]

I was nearly "next" yesterday on a way to coro...

The loop is in good condition at the moment. A particular lack of police through the Waikato region yesterday as well. Not that they were needed as everyone appeared to be happily pootling along.

I know it's an old-age tradition, but what's the reason?

Why go without a helmet at a biker's funeral?

Perhaps the tradition of removing your hat as a mark of respect? You don't wear a hat in church.

[Ixion]

His Hawke must have been locked at that speed otherwise he could not give the perp a ticket. And thus an enquiry via the OIA should reveal the truth. Perhaps Ixion might like to pursue that course.

,br/> No. Because whatever the ute did is irrelevant.

The whole issue is that the cop did a turn in a place patently unsafe. Whatever the ute did had zero effect on that. Tell me, what speed would the ute have had to be going at to make that turn safe?

The turn was unsafe if the ute was doing 10kph
The turn was unsafe if the ute was doing 100kph
The turn was unsafe if the ute was doing 154 kph
The turn was unsafe if the ute was doing 200kph.
The speed of the bike may argueably be relevant. But the focus on the ute is merely an example of the obfuscation and smokescreens with which the police obscure simple matters.

The cop had no business to try to do a turn there even if a uteful of monkeys flew past on the other side at 300 kph, strumming banjoes with their tails on fire.

The ute is irrelevant. Getting involved in arguments about it merely plays up to the police tactics of obscure confuse and find someone else to blame.

[blackdog]

Muldoon was worth a laugh at least,there was under his reign some wonderful loopholes for those in the rural sector.I can remember the old mans glee when in 75 (roughly) he bought over a 351 Cleveland from Stralia that was supposedly going into a jetboat to cart spraying gear (seriously) and the savings,said Cleveland went straight into an XY ute along with the GT dash/badges/grill blah blah that came with it.Nice ute.Not to mention how easy it was to turn a pallet of beer into petrol on the books.

we brought a 308 over for a jet boat. imported as a 'pump' engine

[blackdog]

Full offence. Your argument is full of shit and you obviously know fuck all.
Telling people to join the police force - and you will give them a camry is like saying you enjoy wanking for the physical excercise. I don't know fuck all people who would join the cop shop if they had camry's.
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anyone deciding to become a cop based on the sort of vehicle they will drive is clearly unsuitable for the position in the first place.

[avgas]

anyone deciding to become a cop based on the sort of vehicle they will drive is clearly unsuitable for the position in the first place.

You would be surprised how many people won't work if you take their perks of the job away.
Its called motivation.

[blackdog]

You would be surprised how many people won't work if you take their perks of the job away.
Its called motivation.

if this is the case, i see only positives in weeding out those who choose law enforcement as a career based on the 'perks'

[MSTRS:Me]

...The ute is what caused the Police driver to commence the U-turn or 3 point turn...

Nit-picking, perhaps, but the ute and its alleged speed did not cause the cop to turn. The cop DECIDED to turn, because he saw the speeding ute. The cop was, at all times, the deciding factor in what he did.
The ute and its speed was at most the catalyst only for what followed.

Well answered by Ixion #1164

[Smifffy]

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The 2.4L donk is quick enough (unless you lucky to get a v6) - but the suspension is soft, and its front wheel drive. So turning circle is HUGE. Very comfy back seat - which is actually useless for a cop car.
As for your argument about Ford Mondeo being reliable - I would guess you have NEVER owned one. They are cheap sacks of shit. EVERY MONDEO OWNER WILL TELL YOU THEY ARE CRAP. Not to mention they have horrible 'transmission gremlins'. Focus is not much better. Go look at the resale value of these cars - there is a reason they are cheap.
No but seriously tell us how changing the cop cars are going to make them better drivers. Its attitudes like this that have fucked the planeless airforce, tankless army and battleshipless navy in NZ.....

Maybe they could consider a Mazda Bounty, apparently they go fast enough.

Oh wait, they wouldn't be able to decide on the colour....