Police killing us again!

[scumdog]

Getting back to the original question...
What IS the actual policy on pursuit? As it relates to reversing direction to begin chase? After Bridgemen, the IPCA recommended a change to policy, so we know there is some sort of directive regarding U-turns and/or 3-point turns. What is it? And was it altered after Bridgeman, etc?
Please.

Never seen any directive re doing a U-turn, I guess the same rules apply as would to members of the public.

And a large percentage of 'pursuits' called in are actually 'failing to stop' incidents where because of loud stereo/inability to use rear-view mirror/no brain (or all of the aforementioned) the driver just doesn't know he's had a cop car with flashing red&blue lights, flashing healights and siren on following him/her for the last 8km+.....they generally are only doing the speed limit or thereabouts, not flying along at warp-factor 3.

And other times it's arrogant twats who don't stop for ages because "I'm not speeding/I wasn't doing anything wrong/I don't have to stop for you" etc and decide there is not requirement to pullover and stop.

[MSTRS:Me]

Never seen any directive re doing a U-turn, I guess the same rules apply as would to members of the public.

Thank you.
So there isn't a particular instruction? Other than what the rest of the motoring public are supposed to do?
In which case, why does it take so long to 'ping' a caught-out cop? So long as compared to one of the great unwashed, similarly caught?

[scumdog]

Thank you.
So there isn't a particular instruction? Other than what the rest of the motoring public are supposed to do?
In which case, why does it take so long to 'ping' a caught-out cop? So long as compared to one of the great unwashed, similarly caught?

Both would take just as long to deal with if a death is involved....ALL the facts need to be looked into - not just the 'KB facts' either..

[peasea]

the 'KB facts' ..

The fuckin' what!!???

[Smifffy]

Both would take just as long to deal with if a death is involved....ALL the facts need to be looked into - not just the 'KB facts' either..

Thank you for answering the question. I found it helpful.

[Max Preload]

And a large percentage of 'pursuits' called in are actually 'failing to stop' incidents where because of loud stereo/inability to use rear-view mirror/no brain (or all of the aforementioned) the driver just doesn't know he's had a cop car with flashing red&blue lights, flashing healights and siren on following him/her for the last 8km+.....

As far as I'm concerned, that is much worse than just fucking off at warp 10 - complete inattention. What's the penalty for 'Oblivious Driving'?

[MSTRS:Me]

What's the penalty for 'Oblivious Driving'?

It's pretty harsh, actually.
Oh - and more often than not, paid by someone else...

[Max Preload]

It's pretty harsh, actually.
Oh - and more often than not, paid by someone else...

No wonder it's so rampant. How can we turn the tables on these arsehats when tougher requirements in terms of actual driving ability are unpopular with the sheeple and thus steered away from by politicians?

[Patrick]

... The actions of the driver of the police car, in both this and the Bridgeman incident are indefensible, yet everyone from Tooman on down have closed ranks.

Did you read post 1110? Closed ranks.... pffft....

It is hard to see a single post in this thread from anyone in the enforcement field that has contributed anything positive to the debate.

Post 1110 again......

No facts, no figures, no quotes nor statistics.

Plenty of supposed and assumed facts, plently of made up stats and figures, and some quotes are rubbish too.......

What there is a lot of evidence of, is obfuscation, name calling

Like..... um... fucking pig...?

I wonder at the mindset of someone that would find it entertaining to purposefully derail a public discussion among interested individuals looking for answers after a person has lost their life.

Too many in this thread only wanted to have a go at the cops, full stop, end of story. They were not interested in "looking for answers" after a person lost their life.

True. You did weigh in that it was entertaining though, and it seemed an appropriate place as any to comment on the policy. Do you know if any changes have been made to it since October last year?
You appear to be somewhat saner than either Patrick or Red Meter-maid, please don't think that's an insult.

You HAVE read post 1110? Where I claim it is a bad place to U turn, the cause is clear, he will get charged? Is this the insane you refer to? Or is it the part that perhaps the ute driver and perhaps even the motorbike rider played in all of it?

So, why exactly do you even bother posting here then? (Serious question)

Makes me wonder sometimes too....

Maybe like me he finds it entertaining at times?

And also like me at times he may want to dispense accurate information or advice...at times..

Quoted for truth and accuracy.... even if it is on KB......

[Patrick]

The reality is that motorcyclists are killing themselves in grossly far greater numbers than police are killing them.

Latching on to this one particular incident as an opportunity to bash the police shows the desperate straws that some will clutch at in order to mask the greater problem.

And that, folks, kinda sums up some of what this thread SHOULD be about..........

But damned are those who may speak out against the actions of the indestructable motorcyclist.....

[Patrick]

Thank you.
So there isn't a particular instruction? Other than what the rest of the motoring public are supposed to do?
In which case, why does it take so long to 'ping' a caught-out cop? So long as compared to one of the great unwashed, similarly caught?

The U turn is a simple $150 ticket. Just like anyone, U turning in a bad place is that - bad. You do not need a specific instruction for that. It aint rocket science. But mistakes are made, sadly with tragic consequences. Just as in this case. This turned into a serious matter when the death occurred. All Fatals are treated as serious crime scenes and cases take months to get off the ground, regardless of the driver being a cop, or as an examle of a local one down here, a Champion Modified Sprint Car Racer.....

Thank you for answering the question. I found it helpful.

Was also in post 1110. Insane, I know.....

[DMNTD:Me]

The U turn is a simple $150 ticket. Just like anyone, U turning in a bad place is that - bad. You do not need a specific instruction for that. It aint rocket science. But mistakes are made, sadly with tragic consequences. Just as in this case. This turned into a serious matter when the death occurred. All Fatals are treated as serious crime scenes and cases take months to get off the ground, regardless of the driver being a cop, or as an examle of a local one down here, a Champion Modified Sprint Car Racer.....

Is there such a thing as careless/reckless driving causing death?
I know they guy that didn't give way and took me out with a truck?? got done for careless causing injury.
Not a dig...simply a question

[MSTRS:Me]

The U turn is a simple $150 ticket. Just like anyone, U turning in a bad place is that - bad. You do not need a specific instruction for that. It aint rocket science. But mistakes are made, sadly with tragic consequences. Just as in this case. This turned into a serious matter when the death occurred. All Fatals are treated as serious crime scenes and cases take months to get off the ground, regardless of the driver being a cop, or as an examle of a local one down here, a Champion Modified Sprint Car Racer.....

I can understand the need to do investigation. I can also undersand why such an investigation 'could' take longer in the case of a cop.
Can we assume then, that this cop is already in receipt of a TON for Unsafe Manouevre $150, subject to the charge being increased to ...Causing Death, should his culpability be proved?

See, the thing is, right or wrong, we expect cops to be held to a higher standard than the rest of us. They are there to know, and uphold, 'the law'. Yet so often, this proves not to be the case. We have all become somewhat cynical over the years.

[bogan]

The U turn is a simple $150 ticket. Just like anyone, U turning in a bad place is that - bad. You do not need a specific instruction for that. It aint rocket science. But mistakes are made, sadly with tragic consequences. Just as in this case. This turned into a serious matter when the death occurred. All Fatals are treated as serious crime scenes and cases take months to get off the ground, regardless of the driver being a cop, or as an examle of a local one down here, a Champion Modified Sprint Car Racer.....

I suppose a lot of it comes back to, should we hold police to a higher standard than joe public? Lead by example etc. I think we should.

Also, who polices the police if they do a bad turn etc?

[Mr Merde]

Nothing has changed.
Just had lunch with my missus.
All shook up as she was travelling along the Takanini straight following a police car.


The said police car suddenly just pulls a u turn without any warning, no lights or siren on and travels in the opposite direction ( not even at speed).
She had to take evasive action in her car to avoid colliding with the car.

She didnt get time to take the number plate or any other ID.

For those of you unaware of the Takanini straight it is a very busy part of the Gt Sth Road in Papakura.