Why are cops beating speeding motorcyclists?

**Banditbandit** · 24th June 2010, 12:10

Originally Posted by KiwiIngenuity

I think what this article shows is that the Police have no tolerance for this sort of inappropriate behavior at all. Clearly, two Police Officers may (or may not have, as some evidence would lead me to believe) made a mistake and are now facing the penalties.

No it shouldn't happen at all, but when it does (because Police are just human too), they face the music. The thing that annoys me is when people bag on the Police and then call them when their house gets broken into. If you don't think they can do their job in one capacity, why should you ask for their help in another. I know plenty of cops, and they are ALL good guys and girls. Its unfortunate that they have to put up with a lot of the stick they do because of the few bad police.

So ... some of you are learning what those of us who rode bikes, with long hair and leathers in the early 1970s, and who were tarred with the "Gang Rapist" brush, have known for a long time ... don't trust a blue uniform until they have proven themselves ... and then only as far as you can legally kick one ... don't give me that b****t about them being "only human...". I've seen the violent, racist and illegal behaviour from too many of them in the past. Yes, I'm a product of my experiences - where the police are concerned, those experiences have not been good ...

Yes, things are a little better now ... The first time one called me "Sir " and meant it ... I didn't realize he was talking to me ... but he used that word probably because I was walking home from work, dressed reasonably respectably (for a change) and they were looking for someone else ... and it was around 1982 ...

And no, I don't call on them when I "need help" ... the last off I had, they turned up because some bystander called them ... which was actually useful, I admit, because the car driver accepted responsibility of the spot and I got the insurance easily ... Mostly I sort out my own stuff ...

Originally Posted by Kickaha

So if you're not a cop but think you're above the law is that ok then?

No, not above the law - outside the law ... I never gave my consent to obey any laws ... if my chosen behaviour happens to be legal - that's just a coincidence. My behaviour is based on my own ethics, not the laws.

Those who follow the laws because they are the laws are brainwashed - subjected to the propaganda systems of Church, Mass Education and Mass Media - and it has worked very very well. I used to work in the Mass Media propaganda system - so I will claim some responsibility for turning some of you into sheep ... but I won't apologize ... we all need sheep - they feed the rest of us ...

**Katman** · 24th June 2010, 12:38

Originally Posted by Banditbandit

No, not above the law - outside the law ... I never gave my consent to obey any laws ... if my chosen behaviour happens to be legal - that's just a coincidence. My behaviour is based on my own ethics, not the laws.

It would be wonderful if everyone in society had a standard of ethics that allowed us to co-habitate in peace and harmony.

Unfortunately society has become known for it lack of ethics, principles, and for that matter, sense of conscience.

Hence the need for laws.

**Banditbandit** · 24th June 2010, 14:04

Originally Posted by Katman

It would be wonderful if everyone in society had a standard of ethics that allowed us to co-habitate in peace and harmony.

Unfortunately society has become known for it lack of ethics, principles, and for that matter, sense of conscience.

Hence the need for laws.

Ha .. people have been saying that since Aristotle .. especially his ravings against the sins of the youth of the day ... nothing's really changed ...

**Bass** · 24th June 2010, 14:26

Have been surprised at the standard of debate in this thread - surprisingly thoughful and adult for KB.

**scumdog** · 24th June 2010, 16:48

Originally Posted by Banditbandit

So ... some of you are learning what those of us who rode bikes, with long hair and leathers in the early 1970s, and who were tarred with the "Gang Rapist" brush, have known for a long time ... ...

Geez, that would have described me to a 'T' about 30 or so years ago...

Unlike some I never managed to end up with a Texas-sized chip on my shoulder about 'the man'.

**Banditbandit** · 25th June 2010, 11:33

Originally Posted by scumdog

Geez, that would have described me to a 'T' about 30 or so years ago...

Unlike some I never managed to end up with a Texas-sized chip on my shoulder about 'the man'.

Yeah - some of us got old !!! Generally, I don't have a chip on my shoulder the size of Texas .. got over it years ago ... just feeling grumpy with the law because I lost my licence for too many demerit points ... Hey - my fault ... I knew the consequences .. and did it anyway ... it wass deliberate - several times. Just wasn't deliberately in front of a cop !

But I've never lost my suspicion of cops ... just generally don't let it wind me up any more ... and because I have a "straight" job and earn shitloads of money (by my standards) I don't deal with them daily - just when one catches me doing something on the road the law says I can't ...

**Ixion** · 25th June 2010, 11:39

Originally Posted by scumdog

Geez, that would have described me to a 'T' about 30 or so years ago...

Unlike some I never managed to end up with a Texas-sized chip on my shoulder about 'the man'.

Well, that would hardly be logical, because now you are the Man.

Just for a handful of silver he left us,
Just for a ribbon to stick in his coat—
Found the one gift of which fortune bereft us,
Lost all the others she lets us devote;
They, with the gold to give, dol’d him out silver,
So much was theirs who so little allow’d;
Now he's a copper in their service!
...................
Shakespeare was of us, Milton was for us,
Burns, Shelley, were with us,—they watch from their graves!
He alone breaks from the van and the freemen,
He alone sinks to the rear and the slaves

(Sorry, Robert)

**HenryDorsetCase** · 25th June 2010, 11:48

Originally Posted by scumdog

After the paying of money, checking of security and vetting your suitability of course!

And if your willingness to comply with the laws re guns is as good as it is re traffic? - you're screwed.

EDIT: And you had better hope those vetting you don't check out KB....

Just do what the crims do and buy a full-auto M16 for $1500 cash and a pound of weed or gram of meth down your local dodgy pub carpark.

**HenryDorsetCase** · 25th June 2010, 11:50

Originally Posted by Bass

Have been surprised at the standard of debate in this thread - surprisingly thoughful and adult for KB.

I've tried and failed miserably to bring it up to its usual standard. Sorry.

**HenryDorsetCase** · 25th June 2010, 11:52

Originally Posted by Katman

It would be wonderful if everyone in society had a standard of ethics that allowed us to co-habitate in peace and harmony.

Unfortunately society has become known for it lack of ethics, principles, and for that matter, sense of conscience.

Hence the need for laws.

Its "Lor" isn't it?

**Bass** · 25th June 2010, 12:22

Originally Posted by HenryDorsetCase

I've tried and failed miserably to bring it up to its usual standard. Sorry.

Such is life.
No need for apology.
We are a diverse lot and IMHO it's that diversity that keeps this forum entertaining.
Also, it has a life of its own.
I have argued vociferously in here, with people i know personally. When I meet them face to face, the topic of the argument never even gets a mention.
I suspect this is a common experience.

**onearmedbandit** · 25th June 2010, 13:04

Originally Posted by Ixion

Well, that would hardly be logical, because now you are the Man.

Just for a handful of silver he left us,
Just for a ribbon to stick in his coat—
Found the one gift of which fortune bereft us,
Lost all the others she lets us devote;
They, with the gold to give, dol’d him out silver,
So much was theirs who so little allow’d;
Now he's a copper in their service!
...................
Shakespeare was of us, Milton was for us,
Burns, Shelley, were with us,—they watch from their graves!
He alone breaks from the van and the freemen,
He alone sinks to the rear and the slaves

(Sorry, Robert)

I can quote 'lyrics' too;

Well now I've got some advice for you little buddy,
Before you point your finger you should know that I'm the Man,
If I'm the Man, then you're the Man and he's the Man as well,
So you can point that fucking finger up your arse.

Tool - Hooker with a penis.

We're all the 'Man'.

**onearmedbandit** · 25th June 2010, 13:04

Originally Posted by Ixion

Well, that would hardly be logical, because now you are the Man.

Just for a handful of silver he left us,
Just for a ribbon to stick in his coat—
Found the one gift of which fortune bereft us,
Lost all the others she lets us devote;
They, with the gold to give, dol’d him out silver,
So much was theirs who so little allow’d;
Now he's a copper in their service!
...................
Shakespeare was of us, Milton was for us,
Burns, Shelley, were with us,—they watch from their graves!
He alone breaks from the van and the freemen,
He alone sinks to the rear and the slaves

(Sorry, Robert)

I can quote 'lyrics' too;

Well now I've got some advice for you little buddy,
Before you point your finger you should know that I'm the Man,
If I'm the Man, then you're the Man and he's the Man as well,
So you can point that fucking finger up your arse.

Tool - Hooker with a penis.

We're all the 'Man'.