The ACC saga - a new approach.

[miloking]

The beauty is though that if someone is told often enough that they act like a wanker, they'll usually eventually do something about changing the way they act.


(Except me of course).

Wrong ! basic psychology 101 for you: ....if you are telling someone that they are wanker you are only enforcing and justifying the behaviour in their mind and person will continue doing the same forever and probably get even worse (like telling kid "you are naughty" they will just escalate that bad behaviour further)....read some books about it sometime....

[MSTRS:Me]

You're the one trying to put up barriers John.

You may see it that way. Nothing wrong with ads in bike mags, but I just don't think that would be an effective use of the money.
Ads across all media, coupled with subsidised training days at all the country's tracks and free local workshops...now that I can see working.

[miloking]

And to all of you coming up with wonderful ideas on how to make ACC and public like us...and save lots of lives by improving skills and what not...

Start with yourself and your skills before wanting to preach to anybody else! (how about that?)

[bogan]

You may see it that way. Nothing wrong with ads in bike mags, but I just don't think that would be an effective use of the money.
Ads across all media, coupled with subsidised training days at all the country's tracks and free local workshops...now that I can see working.

I agree, though emphasis should be placed on training rather than ads imo, as we are a minority blankt ads cost more to get the message out per biker, whereas being a minority training a significant number is not such a daunting task. The acc safety levy coupled with a healthy dose of volunteerism should cover it!

And to all of you coming up with wonderful ideas on how to make ACC and public like us...and save lots of lives by improving skills and what not...

Start with yourself and your skills before wanting to preach to anybody else! (how about that?)

What makes you think we haven't already? and offering (the thread seems to have gone away from the ideas of making shit mandatory) an oppourtunity for bikers to become safer doesn't sound like preaching to me, sounds more like common sense.

[MSTRS:Me]

Start with yourself and your skills before wanting to preach to anybody else! (how about that?)

Ahhh...the longer one has ridden, esp without coming off etc, implies that one has sufficient knowledge on the subject to do said 'preaching'. Riding a bike is more than just staying on it.

[davebullet]

Regarding riding gear - I think legislation is the only way really. You are not going to appeal to people to make a grudge purchase. Apart from keeping warmer and drier, why would the people that never ATTGATT ever want to invest in hundreds of dollars of riding gear when they will "never" crash?

Imagine if helmets weren't legislated. How many scooter riders would wear them? A hell of a lot less I would guess.

[miloking]

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What makes you think we haven't already? and offering (the thread seems to have gone away from the ideas of making shit mandatory) an oppourtunity for bikers to become safer doesn't sound like preaching to me, sounds more like common sense.

Depends on the way its presented, most of the time its just preaching... to be honest ACC/Government collects enough money from motorcyclists to run "free" educational courses/trackdays for everybody who wants to get learnes licence...but what we got instead is a "scratchie test" and basic handling skills (meaning ride crapy little bike between two cones and put it on a side stand) and after that you are good to go to buy RS250...

[Katman]

I agree, though emphasis should be placed on training rather than ads imo, as we are a minority blankt ads cost more to get the message out per biker, whereas being a minority training a significant number is not such a daunting task. The acc safety levy coupled with a healthy dose of volunteerism should cover it!

That's precisely why I think advertisements in the motorcycle magazines would be one of the most cost effective uses of money.

They would reach a shit load of New Zealand motorcyclists and who knows, the magazine publishers may even offer to run the ads at a reduced cost if they felt strongly enough about improving the state of motorcycling in NZ.

[miloking]

Ahhh...the longer one has ridden, esp without coming off etc, implies that one has sufficient knowledge on the subject to do said 'preaching'. Riding a bike is more than just staying on it.

I have never come off a bike...like ever! have been riding since i was 15...now i would not dare to start telling someone how to ride or what to do about safety, its a big responsibility to take on, so you not coming off for long time means fuck all (you were lucky too just like me) and doesnt give you "licence" to preach either.

[DMNTD:Me]

That's precisely why I think advertisements in the motorcycle magazines would be one of the most cost effective uses of money.

They would reach a shit load of New Zealand motorcyclists and who knows, the magazine publishers may even offer to run the ads at a reduced cost if they felt strongly enough about improving the state of motorcycling in NZ.

Too true...could also be a goodun that when people purchase their bike's rego that recieve $XYZ discount on a training course, or similar.

One thing that irks me is how 50cc scooter riders do not require a motorcycle license. Madness!

[MSTRS:Me]

I have never come off a bike...like ever! have been riding since i was 15...now i would not dare to start telling someone how to ride or what to do about safety, its a big responsibility to take on, so you not coming off for long time means fuck all (you were lucky too just like me) and doesnt give you "licence" to preach either.

When did I preach? Although I consider I'm in a better position to do so than many, should I be bitten by the bug to do so. Experience and track record go further than your so-called luck...

[Ronin]

That's precisely why I think advertisements in the motorcycle magazines would be one of the most cost effective uses of money.

They would reach a shit load of New Zealand motorcyclists and who knows, the magazine publishers may even offer to run the ads at a reduced cost if they felt strongly enough about improving the state of motorcycling in NZ.

I see what your getting at but then not all bike riders read bike mags. I have bough 1 in the last 18 months and I didn't look at any ads. I honestly feel that any campaign needs to be mainstream media. The up side of this is that even non riders see the message.

[Katman]

I see what your getting at but then not all bike riders read bike mags. I have bough 1 in the last 18 months and I didn't look at any ads. I honestly feel that any campaign needs to be mainstream media. The up side of this is that even non riders see the message.

I'm not suggesting that an ad in a bike mag is the only idea we should run with.

I'm not that one-dimensional.

[Katman]

And I don't think we need to get too tied up in the idea of trying to get a message straight out to every single motorcyclist from day one.

It's important though to get something rolling which may start it's own snowball effect.

[scracha]

Discount on insurance...well we can't force commercial companies to implement that, but it'd be common sense for the insurance companies to do so.
Discount rego/ACC levies on a similar level to how insurance companies work would seem the most obvious idea. There's a minority (but still far too many)l of riders out there who seem to fall off quite a lot. Discount for number of claim free years. Discount for taking advanced rider training. Put a weighting on riders with lots of points. Multi-bike discount would also be nice too. Fuck it...scrap ACC :-)