Islamisation

[R-Soul]

And it would work well if our laws were totally recreated. But they were transplanted here from the UK and have slowly mutated over time, with Maori input only over the last few decades. Besides, the entire (Westminster) system of governance was dumped onto the country.

And with this system, whoever you vote for a politician always gets in. Dammit.

I couldn't agree with you more about the greed.

The Westminster Parliamentary system showed iself to be eminently fallible under the Apartheid system. Established customary laws can be wiped out by the next legislative act, as long as they have a majority (and iit all depends on how you define majority, and who has a right to vote).

I much prefer the current SA law system, with a Bill o f Human Rights at its head as the highest law, and against which all other laws are subject to, and which guides interpretation of all other laws. And which requires a huge majority to change. That way some asshole politician cannot take away rights on a whim, or by some legal sleight of hand. All new acts can be challenged against the bill of rights by anybody, at the Constitutional Court - the ultimate court.


NZ has a Bill of Rights, but it is not teh highest law in the land, no other laws are subject to it, and it has as much force as any other act which may conflict it.

Its probably high time that NZ got a legal system extreme makeover.

[Banditbandit]

Ahakoa he pākehā tuturu ahau, ka kimi ahau ki te ara tika.

He mīharotanga tōu korero. Pai tō reo Māori. Pai tō whakaaro, tō tautoko mo te kaupapa. Ngā mihi nui ki a koe e hoa.

[Oakie]

Found it! I've been looking for this for a few days. It's in response to an earlier poster who provided some pretty scary quotes from the Koran about how 'infidels' should be treated. I wanted to say at the time that the Bible is just as bad and but just as western civilisation doesn't now act on it literally, neither does most of Islam act on all of the words contained in the Koran. Read on:


In her radio show, Dr Laura Schlesinger said that, to an observant Orthodox Jew, homosexuality is an abomination according to Leviticus 18:22, and cannot be condoned under any circumstance. The following response is an open letter to Dr. Laura, penned by a US resident, which was posted on the Internet.



It's funny, as well as informative:



Dear Dr. Laura:


Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination ... End of debate.


I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God's Laws and how to follow them.


1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of Menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15: 19-24. The problem is how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?

6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination, Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there 'degrees' of abomination?

7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room here?

8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?

9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev.19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable expertise in such matters, so I'm confident you can help.

Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

Your adoring fan,

James M. Kauffman, Ed.D. Professor Emeritus, Dept. Of Curriculum, Instruction, and Special Education University of Virginia

(It would be a damn shame if we couldn't own a Canadian

[Edbear]

Very funny, unless you know the scriptures, then it just seems pointless and silly. Sorry but he's being very selective and either doesn't know what he's talking about, or does know and is deliberately being facetious.

Islamisation? Not sure, but we are watching developments with interest.

[oldrider]

Works okay for you if we are all one people in the way you want it right? Well, no surprise there. At which point did 'we' make a decision what this 'one people' looked like? If I came to your house wouldn't you expect me to follow the rules for YOUR house? Even if we were going to move in together, surely we would work out the house rules together. It would be mightily unfair for one person to decide all the rules of the house, would it not?

I think you underestimate the intelligence and worldly understanding of the leaders of the day (Maori and Pakeha at the time of the treaty) I believe that they had great vision for this country!

The problem is not with the decisions that "they" made but more to do with the behaviour of their descendants to pick up the ball and run with it! (us)

No body ever said it was going to be easy and the only contribution you have any power or control over over are the ones that you (as an individual) make yourself.

IMHO Maori wasted too much valuable time sucking up to the Labour party and if they feel disadvantaged today it is mainly down to their lack of will to shake those shackles off and the subsequent loss of self esteem that is a consequence!

Love them or hate them, I think the advent of the Maori party is the best thing that has happened to raise the Maori profile and to show a willingness to "share" in the running of the country and to pull their collective weight in the decision making process for a change!

It's a bit like never attending public meetings and then moaning about the decisions that were made in your absence!

I could be wrong but I guess you will tell me that if you think I am!

[Oscar]

Very funny, unless you know the scriptures, then it just seems pointless and silly. Sorry but he's being very selective and either doesn't know what he's talking about, or does know and is deliberately being facetious.

Islamisation? Not sure, but we are watching developments with interest.

!? Who are you, the humour police, or just good with the obvious?

That's very clever and very funny.

[Edbear]

!? Who are you, the humour police, or just good with the obvious?

That's very clever and very funny.

Sorry, yes it is...

[SS90]

Very funny, unless you know the scriptures, then it just seems pointless and silly. Sorry but he's being very selective and either doesn't know what he's talking about, or does know and is deliberately being facetious.

Islamisation? Not sure, but we are watching developments with interest.

Sorry Edbear, I just don't understand the "unless you Know the scriptures" Part of your reply.... How does Knowledge of the scriptures Change the Point that was bring made.... I.e.- Don't Pick and Chose what Part of the bible you take literally, and which Parts you consider "up for Interpretation"

[Oakie]

Sorry Edbear, I just don't understand the "unless you Know the scriptures" Part of your reply.... How does Knowledge of the scriptures Change the Point that was bring made.... I.e.- Don't Pick and Chose what Part of the bible you take literally, and which Parts you consider "up for Interpretation"

Exactly my point. Consistency. Don't you dare hold up their holy book and say "well this is what it says so this is exactly what they're going to do" then hold 'ours' up and say "well that's what it says but of course we don't take it literally". Of course that offering I found was selective ... as are the selective anti-Koran postings of others.

Oh, by the way. I'm an athiest but have tolerance and respect for those who do have their beliefs.

[Banditbandit]

Well, maybe if you honour the treaty...."He Iwi Tahi Tatou" - We are now one people....you might feel differently about that!

Works OK for me!

OK. Let's all be one people - let's all be Māori - at least in culture ...

Oh, that's not what I mean I hear you say .. Yes, exactly. What you mean is; "Let's all be one people - let's all be White - or at least white culture" ...

Imposing European Culture on groups of people is no different to attempts to impose Islam on others ...

[avgas]

OK. Let's all be one people - let's all be Māori - at least in culture ...

Oh, that's not what I mean I hear you say .. Yes, exactly. What you mean is; "Let's all be one people - let's all be White - or at least white culture" ...

Imposing European Culture on groups of people is no different to attempts to impose Islam on others ...

Doesn't work that way, never has.
Culture is merged, and evolved. With each generation.
There would be strong elements of Maori in NZ culture, but in a 100 years time don't also be surprised if there are elements of Japanese, Korean, American.... in the NZ culture.
Don't feel too ripped off - this is happening all over the world. Be proud of Maori culture - As it has lasted the last 100 years of this change, and looks to be in use for the next 100. In the names of places, the festivals we celebrate, the culture and folk tales we tell.
But as for Maori being the only true NZ culture.......be prepared to isolate the country. As far as I know - Cuba is the only country that has reduced this change over time.

[avgas]

Out of interest - how are you guys typing in Maori tones? Is there some kind of crazy key combination to get those caricatures? Would be a handy thing to know.

[R-Soul]

OK. Let's all be one people - let's all be Māori - at least in culture ...

OK sweet! Hongi (Hangi?) at my place on Saturday!! (but can I put boerewors in too?)

[R-Soul]

OK. Let's all be one people - let's all be Māori - at least in culture ...

Oh, that's not what I mean I hear you say .. Yes, exactly. What you mean is; "Let's all be one people - let's all be White - or at least white culture" ...

Imposing European Culture on groups of people is no different to attempts to impose Islam on others ...

Well said - you cannot force others to take on a different culture. What you can do is be tolerant and understanding, and try and view the world from their eyes. In time, both you and they change each other and become not-quite-one culture. Unless a conniving religious man or politiican tries to highlight difference between people so that they can "divide and conquer".

[R-Soul]

Doesn't work that way, never has.
Culture is merged, and evolved. With each generation.
There would be strong elements of Maori in NZ culture, but in a 100 years time don't also be surprised if there are elements of Japanese, Korean, American.... in the NZ culture.
Don't feel too ripped off - this is happening all over the world. Be proud of Maori culture - As it has lasted the last 100 years of this change, and looks to be in use for the next 100. In the names of places, the festivals we celebrate, the culture and folk tales we tell.
But as for Maori being the only true NZ culture.......be prepared to isolate the country. As far as I know - Cuba is the only country that has reduced this change over time.

I am no NZ history buff BUT: Didn't the Maori's drive out another culture when they came in? If so, then common sense tells me that they have as much right to call it "true" NZ culture as whites do?