Revolting teachers!

[p.dath]

Hey this is great after 3 days you've bothered to read the claims. Unfortunately you've tripped up over in your reading (comprehension)

I don't know if you read your own propoganda, but teachers are seeking an increase to the units to $4500, and the creation of an additionla 8,500 units.

So that's up to an extra 8,500 promotions.

So a teacher on a base salary of $45k gets an instant 10% pay rise out of this sweet deal. If they get two standards that's an instance 20% pay rise.

Then add on the 4% base salary increase and the 1% kiwisaver increase, and it's quite conceivable some teachers will be getting pay rises of 15% - or more. And that's before even considering the other rates increases.

Yes this is standard in any profession (you'll get there one day).

Alas no. Almost no one pays shifting allowances. I can only think of one professional who got a moving allowance in the last 10 years that I know - and that was because he was being head hunted - and they wanted him to shift countries.
This entitlement should be scraped all together.

Look, if you're are not willing to take on board the information presented to you (admit it, you only read the titles, I'll give you credit for that. If you did read the rationale in the full document and still believe your own diatribe then you are far thicker than I had previously given you credit for) will you please stop just hurling in your ignorant, bigoted, bile. You have an obvious issue with teachers we get that point. You keep pushing the agenda that this thing is about money when it so patently isn't (despite the government and you trying to fly that banner)

You keep trotting out the same tripe. It is very clear the whole emphasis of demands the teachers are making is about money. The teachers are doing nothing short of bold face lying when they say it is not about money. No wonder that tax payers of NZ don't want to negotiate with the teachers. You just can't trust what they say.

I say it again. Drop all the demands about money, and go back to the table. You'll earn more respect if teachers say what they really want.

Better still - how about you do what most professions are doing at the moment - and figure out how to save your employer some money so their will be less distress.

[Squiggles]

Drop all the demands about money, and go back to the table. You'll earn more respect if teachers say what they really want.

What is your opinion on the other claims? Laptops, immunisation, class sizes, professional development, etc

[Robert Taylor]

My mother has been a teacher for 30 years, and they don't pay her nearly enough for the workload and bullshit she has to deal with!

And there are plenty ( probably most ) small business people that would trade the hours they put in to just survive for a teachers salary.
Im not knocking teachers and the best ones that I ever had were those that were in the regular workforce prior to becoming a teacher.
What I am knocking though is that ( like other civil servants such as some politicians ) their PPTA body has got the temerity to think they are justified a significant slary increase when we are in the midst of a crippling recession. At a time when many people are actually taking home less.
Given that the PPTA is largely made up of sympathies that are left of centre this is also clearly political.

[oldrider]

And there are plenty ( probably most ) small business people that would trade the hours they put in to just survive for a teachers salary.
Im not knocking teachers and the best ones that I ever had were those that were in the regular workforce prior to becoming a teacher.
What I am knocking though is that ( like other civil servants such as some politicians ) their PPTA body has got the temerity to think they are justified a significant slary increase when we are in the midst of a crippling recession. At a time when many people are actually taking home less.
Given that the PPTA is largely made up of sympathies that are left of centre this is also clearly political.

True!

Poor employers and wayward unions feed off each other and have symbiotic relationships that foster and depend upon the stupidity of their membership and supporters!

Governments by their nature are notoriously poor employers!

NZ state school teachers it seems (by their rigid attachment to the system) are doomed to remain in this cycle forever!

Their choice I suppose but one does get sick of hearing about it, over and over and over!

[Smifffy]

If we aren't in a recession, you could always go and get a high paying job somewhere else that values the skills and attributes that your degree has.

Would you like fries with that?

[marie_speeds]

FFS The Govt managed to find nearly 2 Billion to bail out a fricken private company yet can't manage a payrise for teachers and health workers?

[Banditbandit]

FFS The Govt managed to find nearly 2 Billion to bail out a fricken private company yet can't manage a payrise for teachers and health workers?

TRUE !!!!! What does that say about their priorities ? Rich fat cats get wealth - teachers, who affect the future of children and our nation - get shat on again ...

[aprilia_RS250]

I'd love to see a teacher work at a real high pressure role such as an A&E surgeon or as a stock broker for a month. Doubt they would survive.

[avgas]

FFS The Govt managed to find nearly 2 Billion to bail out a fricken private company yet can't manage a payrise for teachers and health workers?

Could be something to do with the 16% they have had over the last 4 years. 2 of which were through a recession, a time when many others did not receive.
Also apparently that 2Bil was not bail out but a buy out. And they expect to make it back Yeah right.

[avgas]

Not that easy to do. What defines "performance"?

Ironically enough, the school, fellow teachers, students and parents.....probably even the govt can identify "the good from the bad" teacher wise.
So if you believe that the schools can not do this. Perhaps I could recommend someone at the school is put in charge of HRM?

[marie_speeds]

I'd love to see a teacher work at a real high pressure role such as an A&E surgeon or as a stock broker for a month. Doubt they would survive.

But they do work in a high pressure job. Especially those in low socio economic areas where it is a struggle to get kids to learn when their home lives are utterly crap. Many teachers that I know are there for the kids. Because learning is a passion and they want them to succeed in life and become good members of society. Nothing makes a teacher prouder than seeing an ex student do well.
Funny how you always remember the names of those teachers who were excellent and passionate about what they did. I even remember some of the bastards but in hindsight realise they were there and hard on me because they wanted me to learn. I doubt many people would survive being put in front of a class of 35 kids every day and survive without going completely bonkers before the bell rings at 3pm.

Could be something to do with the 16% they have had over the last 4 years. 2 of which were through a recession, a time when many others did not receive.
Also apparently that 2Bil was not bail out but a buy out. And they expect to make it back Yeah right.

I reckon good luck to anyone who gets a payrise that keeps up with the cost of living and other expenses. Tall poppy syndrome at it's worse when people start to be envious of what others get or have that they don't get or have. And the Govt will never get that money back! How many new books, computers or hospital resources could that money have bought?

[avgas]

I reckon good luck to anyone who gets a payrise that keeps up with the cost of living and other expenses.

I hear that. I have had to upgrade my job 3 times in the last 10 years just to make it feel like I have the same coin to spend.

How many new books, computers or hospital resources could that money have bought?

Nah it was a valuable lessson. And it was for all NZer's - don't invest like a moron. I am noticing thousands of retirement aged individuals caught up in these messes. And its sad as they were so frivolous with their spending only to act like a complete moron when it comes to investment.
Who the hell invests every dollar they have with one company? its financial suicide. It has to be the biggest gamble of all.

[Bald Eagle]

Who the hell invests every dollar they have with one company? its financial suicide. It has to be the biggest gamble of all.

bit like putting it in Kiwisaver then eh ?

[avgas]

bit like putting it in Kiwisaver then eh ?

Don't even get me started on that clap trap.
However if someone's ONLY savings is kiwisaver - they have bigger problems.

[aprilia_RS250]

But they do work in a high pressure job. Especially those in low socio economic areas where it is a struggle to get kids to learn when their home lives are utterly crap.

Sorry telling 35 kids to shut it while you try and teach is NOT stressful or involve a lot of pressure. If they don't you kick the little shits out of class and let the dean deal with them and his parents.

Also I think 70k a year is more than enough for someone who gets 2 month holidays in summer....

http://www.stuff.co.nz/timaru-herald...r-4pc-pay-rise