Power to weight restriction

[Bald Eagle]

It's going through a select committee process and we now know that we can have an effect at that level.
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didn't notice much of an effect last time

[James Deuce]

People actually got to participate which isn't normal for NZ politics or NZ motorcyclists. Be as cynical as you want, getting to present and actually presenting submissions is a huge step up from the usual toothless self-flagellation in front of parliament that encompasses a "protest" in NZ. That was just a start and if momentum is maintained there is a small chance that that decision making may become inclusive.

But only if you show you give enough of a shit to get involved.

[clint640]

If a system based on LAMS comes in (very good idea IMHO) the law is truly going to look like an ass: learners are allowed some bikes over 600cc because they are moderately powered sensible learner machines, but that very same bike is classed by the ACC as an overpowered rolling deathtrap devil machine worthy of extortionate extra charges to cover all the death, mayhem & carnage left in it's wake.

Cheers
Clint

[Mikkel]

Hopefully they will consider doing something similar for car drivers on the graduated licensing system too. But about time they got rid of the give-way insanity.

If a system based on LAMS comes in (very good idea IMHO) the law is truly going to look like an ass: learners are allowed some bikes over 600cc because they are moderately powered sensible learner machines, but that very same bike is classed by the ACC as an overpowered rolling deathtrap devil machine worthy of extortionate extra charges to cover all the death, mayhem & carnage left in it's wake.

Cheers
Clint

Good point there!

[KelvinAng]

If a system based on LAMS comes in (very good idea IMHO) the law is truly going to look like an ass: learners are allowed some bikes over 600cc because they are moderately powered sensible learner machines, but that very same bike is classed by the ACC as an overpowered rolling deathtrap devil machine worthy of extortionate extra charges to cover all the death, mayhem & carnage left in it's wake.

The Aussie LAMS does have a CC rating criteria as well and if NZ were to implement it and not make ACC look stupid they would modify the Aussie standard to suit their categorisation. My M50 is not Aussie learner-approved because it failed the CC rating, but is otherwise producing way below the maximum power per tonne rating!

[Ixion]

Aussie cc upper limit is 650cc . Problem is that falls into the "instant death" ACC group. And revising the LAMS upper limit to 599 to match ACC would exclude most of the over 250 machines - ie the whole thing would become pointless.

[KelvinAng]

Aussie cc upper limit is 650cc . Problem is that falls into the "instant death" ACC group. And revising the LAMS upper limit to 599 to match ACC would exclude most of the over 250 machines - ie the whole thing would become pointless.

Yep. But you know, they're politicians

[clint640]

Pointless indeed but I bet thats what'll happen. Quite a lot of older bikes will still become learner legal with a 599cc limit, but bugger all new ones, ignoring exotica there's probably only about 4 bikes sold new that would become LAMS learner legal anyway, a 599cc limit would remove 2 of the more affordable ones, the Suzuki S40 cruiser & DR650 dual sport.

Clint

[Swoop]

Hopefully they will consider doing something similar for car drivers on the graduated licensing system too.

It appears like they are going to do just that!

[Gibbo89]

I didn't know that this was proposed in 2008, I assume it must be quite similar to what was suggested back then?

Bump, btw

[MSTRS:Me]

The motorcycle specific stuff, at least, was announced by the last Labour govt as being on the agenda. They never got to it tho...

[racefactory]

For ages now I have heard people say that NZ will adopt a power to weight licensing system for motorcycles. I have a few questions.

When will it be implemented by?

For those already on the smaller quick bikes like CBR250RR ZXR250 FZR250 GSXR250 and NSR TZR RGV, will they be forced to get rid of their bikes? That would be really unfair if so.

[cbfb]

Will it take into account the fact that I'm a bit of a fat bastard so my bike will go slower?

[aprilia_RS250]

I doubt they'll even implement it. Most of the "fast" bikes are starting to get old or have been written off by riders with a twitchy right wrist. I assume most people starting out are buying low powered bikes like the hyo, ninja and hornets. It would be a bit pointless now I'd say.

[FJRider]

That is only one of the proposals being considered ... to my knowledge there is no specific date set yet.

Fair ... getting rid of those bikes would not be required .... just that they would not legally allowed to be ridden without the correct class of licence ...