Motorcycle ACTION Now!

[Maha]

I think what he is saying is the current groups are too soft, and have basically bent over and been raped in the bottom. And I think he is correct.

Fanny.

What the OP is doing, hell anyone can do it...
Come up with a grand idea but, let someone else do it.
He said so himself, he does not want to lead this thing.
He has an over inflated veiw of himself.
He has been at for close to 18 months and...still nothing.
I first heard him make noise about september 09'.
Check back here in say....two months time?

[idleidolidyll]

EASY:
Have a go at those "proporting to represent motorcyclists"
Say that they are "in the pockets of the politicians"
Moan that they "are not doing what us REAL motorcylists want them to"

MORE DIFFICULT
Organise your own campaign AND win the hearts and minds of your fellow motorcyclists
Be more effective than those that you are complaining about
Having to back up works and rhetoric with effective action

I find that the many campaigns on here that have promulgated illegal behaviour or complained about the various campaigns either do not get the required support to be effective or find that things are perhaps a little less easy than what they think and quickly give up the fight and disappear never to be heard from again. I don't want to prejudge anything - but - anyone that won't divulge details of their plans because of a police presence on the forum make me very suspicious that they intend to get up to some activity which unecessarily impinges on the rights of other citizens to go about their lawful business.

I, for a vast array of reasons, will not be involving myself in such a campaign. History will say that public opinion wins and loses battles like this. Annoy the public at large and you will not only lose the battle but will be dong motorcyclists a huge disservice - just what you are accusing others of doing now. Ironic!

Double: read the three pleas. I have not promoted illegal behaviour, I have merely suggested that organized protest and civil disobedience is a good option.
In fact I specifically rebuked a member who was suggesting blatantly illegal behavior.

However, if their policies are killing us, and they are, which is worse; protest or status quo?

[idleidolidyll]

Dougieread the three please. I have not promoted illegal behaviour, I have merely suggested that organized protest and civil disobedience is a good option.
In fact I specifically rebuked a member who was suggesting blatantly illegal behavior.

However, if their policies are killing us, and they are, which is worse; protest or status quo?

[idleidolidyll]

Mama

KB rules prohibit deliberate personal attacks like that one and also prohibit attempts to take the thread off topic.

If you have something of value to add, please do so. I will not refuse to listen to anyone who has a good idea. However, All other posts in contravention of the rules will be reported as per my previous post advised.

[Maha]

Mama

KB rules prohibit deliberate personal attacks like that one and also prohibit attempts to take the thread off topic.

If you have something of value to add, please do so. I will not refuse to listen to anyone who has a good idea. However, All other posts in contravention of the rules will be reported as per my previous post advised.

I guess by mama you mean me? or mstrs, we are both not to sure about that one yet.
Where am I attacking?..do you think the mods are sick of you yet..
All of page one is still in tacked even after your request to clean it out.
Take all the fun posts out and there'll be fuck all else to read.
I shall subscribe to this thread, hope thats not prohibited?

[idleidolidyll]

I guess by mama you mean me? or mstrs, we are both not to sure about that one yet.
Where am I attacking?..do you think the mods are sick of you yet..
All of page one is still in tacked even after your request to clean it out.
Take all the fun posts out and there'll be fuck all else to read.
I shall subscribe to this thread, hope thats not prohibited?

Your last post was a clear personal attack: I'm quite shocked to read the suggestion in your post that the mods may be talking to you about me.
Is that a fact?

So please Stay on topic, don't post abuse. all such posts will be reported as per KB rules.

[Maha]

Your last post was a clear personal attack: I'm quite shocked to read the suggestion in your post that the mods may be talking to you about me.
Is that a fact?

So please Stay on topic, don't post abuse. all such posts will be reported as per KB rules.

Fuck you're a crack up......
Suggestion my arse....why would the mods want to talk to me about you, im sure they would rather swallow thier own sick.
Take action on this post Mr III.
If you want me to stop posting, stop quoting me.
Or better yet, put me on ignore.

[DidJit]

... I first heard him make noise about september 09'. ...

....oh, and I suppose you wont be joining the Fat Bikers Motorcycle Club?

Why don't you two help him then?

Get III along to your meetings, or try to get some support for III's ideas. Let's face it: you're all trying to achieve the same objective — better roads and conditions for motorcyclists and an ACC that isn't privatised to the hilt.

I see FM is trying to understand III, but is getting frustrated by III's somewhat seemingly brash manner. That's just his way, mate. If you met him in person you would understand him a lot more. I know you haven't met me either, but I vouch for III's passion, determination, persistence and commitment in trying to keep motorcyclists' issues top of mind. And you can see from the way I am writing that I am no raving firebrand — thus perhaps, I hope you will believe, there may just be some credibility to what I am saying...

As for you, Maha... You know better. III shouldn't have to come to you on bended knee just because he isn't in the KB Elite clique. III is trying (and did try) since September '09 to keep these issues top of mind as mentioned before. Just because he hasn't been a part of, or done things, your way or BRONZ's way or MAGNZ's way or KB's way, that doesn't mean you should discount him as a loudmouth with no substance or action to his words. I remember the news clip of John Key opening the Whangamata Marina with the 3 noisy motorcyclists protesting. I remember III trying to organise more protest action around the country. I also remember that most people were just too scared to step up (myself included I reluctantly admit). I remember the KB Elite kept shouting III down, saying, "We can't piss anyone off." I remember that after 5,000 people descended on Wellington and unnerved Nick, the momentum fell flat.

I think III saw from the beginning of all of this that words would only get motorcyclists so far; that TPTB would take advantage of Kiwis' apathy; and that if you really want change in both TPTB and motorcycling policy, you have to shake things up a whole lot more than most Kiwis are prepared to shake.

III is simply trying, like many of you, to draw attention (both ours and that of TPTB) to some very valid issues. So why can't we all work together instead of baiting each other?

As has been mentioned many other times in many other threads, trying to get bikers united on anything is like herding cats. That's why the thrust of any protest actions and issues should be inclusive of all NZers. We need all NZers, not just us bikers, to protest against unfair policies. Protest messages must therefore resonate with Joe Kiwi and Joe Kiwi's voting pen. Our own (bikers') ends can be met, but they must be subtly hidden amongst the catchcries that Joe Kiwi can chant as well.

Disclaimer: I am not saying I am in any way better, or have done anything more/better than anyone else. I am merely lending support to someone I know, who I don't like seeing shouted down (on teh 'net) just because it seems people aren't understanding him.

[Maha]

''Just because he hasn't been a part of, or done things, your way or BRONZ's way or MAGNZ's way or KB's way, that doesn't mean you should discount him as a loudmouth with no substance or action to his words.''

I agree, that has been my point all along, he mouths off but thats it, he has alot to say and thats where it ends, he wants action, but wont act. He wants it done his way but wont lead the way. This thread is a perfect example of how he operates, its all about him and if it doesn't go his way, toys exit the sleeping area at a great rate of knots.
I think its fair to say that he could be the right person to have on your side given the oppotunity, but I will never work with him, not until his conceited attitude changes. And I cant see that happening, he is who he is.

And can you point my in the direction of the KB Elite clique?.I would love to take the piss out of them .They seem like an easy target.Whos Next?

[Fatt Max]

Why don't you two help him then?


As has been mentioned many other times in many other threads, trying to get bikers united on anything is like herding cats. That's why the thrust of any protest actions and issues should be inclusive of all NZers. We need all NZers, not just us bikers, to protest against unfair policies. Protest messages must therefore resonate with Joe Kiwi and Joe Kiwi's voting pen. Our own (bikers') ends can be met, but they must be subtly hidden amongst the catchcries that Joe Kiwi can chant as well.

That has always been my point. I have seen passion and drive in so many people. These people exist within BRONZ and within MAG, these people share a vision and desire to get the best possible deal for motorcyclists.

I have always maintained that we MUST unite and work together. We cannot be seen to be divided. Lets face it, TPTB trawl these websites and forums to get ammo against us, this is excellent ammo.

I am trying to see how ANY campaign, physical, literal or otherwise professing to be the 'voice of bikers' cannot be progressed without some kind of unity.

III is aggesive in his aapproach, if that aggression equates to passion for a cause then great but to cut away the groups who hold the same passion really is a divide and conquer tactic that we are drawing upon oursleves.

As for KB Elite, dont know about that. This is a fucking website after all, the last time I looked my PC has an off switch, at the very least there are other websites to look at (www.hot pastrychicks.com and www.strippers-in-lard.org).

I feel I have expressed my opinion but, as I have been told many times, what the fuck do I know.....

[Ocean1]

III is simply trying....

To subvert biker politics to suit his socialist ideologies. He wants National out and the biggest tool he can see to do that is you lot. Maybe.

See, we've heard it so many times we switch off after the first couple of buzzwords. So he might have THE WORD, but there's a background waft of rat in the air and we've got better things to read.

[SPman]

...He wants National out..

And after they've done such a GREAT job at relieving unemployment, making a good place for average income people to live and thrive in with better health care, education and fairer policies for all......

[DEVVIL]

All I can say is work together. KB has its place but not regarding action. The ones that pull every thing apart can sit on their PCs and do nothing but piss and moan. I will stand next to biker(BRONZ/MAG or Independent) who wants to take a planed civil disobedient action For the right reason.
Post any FB Twitter info




Cant be bothered with any flame tit for tat BS

[Fatt Max]

All I can say is work together. KB has its place but not regarding action.:

+1, nice one dude,

That does seem to be a very common line, is it that hard?

[sinned]

To subvert biker politics to suit his socialist ideologies. He wants National out and the biggest tool he can see to do that is you lot. Maybe.

See, we've heard it so many times we switch off after the first couple of buzzwords. So he might have THE WORD, but there's a background waft of rat in the air and we've got better things to read.

"- waft of rat in the air" love it and reason why I don't belong to any of these so called groups promoting motorcycling, except for Ulysses which I belong for the rides.