Low road toll

[Smifffy]

You say that you don't argue that people are cutting back on their trips, ie road usage. Ok so lets assume that there are say 10,000,000 trips in x year. So that means 10,000,000 instances of a vehicle being on the road (assuming a trip is both to and from). So lets take 200,000 away from that. Now we have 9,800,000 instances of a vehicle being on the road.

Can you see the fucking difference? I'll give you a hint, the answer is in my second to last sentence. There are less cars on the road. Less cars on the road, less chances of a fatality.

To those adding in that there are other factors, I'm not claiming this is the sole reason, or if there is actually any notable difference in the current fatality stats compared to other years or quaters. All I'm saying is petrol price has an affect on motorists habits.

See now you are just making shit up.
first you say a few friends don't use their cars as much now its in the 100k.

What i said was, NOW PAY ATTENTION, there might be a few people that have stopped using their vehicles due to the fuel price but it has made no difference on the road as the traffic is still the same, so therefore it is such a small number that this can not be really considered when looking at the cause of the crash stats coming down and if you look at the Auckland region it is still the same as last year.

Do you have that now or should i get the crayons out?

Hahaha, at first I thought you guys were actually arguing over this, now I see you're both just taking the piss.

I fell for it hook line and sinker, well done for April 1.

[Hawkeye]

[onearmedbandit]

See now you are just making shit up.
first you say a few friends don't use their cars as much now its in the 100k.

What i said was, NOW PAY ATTENTION, there might be a few people that have stopped using their vehicles due to the fuel price but it has made no difference on the road as the traffic is still the same, so therefore it is such a small number that this can not be really considered when looking at the cause of the crash stats coming down and if you look at the Auckland region it is still the same as last year.

Do you have that now or should i get the crayons out?

Actually now I do understand. I see the red rep you left for me with the friendly little note and a see you like to play in the arcade a bit here. No wonder you offered me crayons, I'm dealing with a fucking child.

Do you not understand examples? I give an example of fuel being $10 a litre. You come back with 'but it's not $10 a litre'. Now I use an arbitrary number, 200,000, as an example (ie it's not a real figure) and once again you come back disputing my numbers. Of course they are not real numbers, they are made-up numbers to illustrate a point.

Now how can the traffic 'be the same' if there are fewer people using their cars? Have you surveyed the traffic numbers? Sat there and compared actual numbers with different months? For every period of every day? And for that matter how many of our national road fatalities does Auckland city contribute? Have you observed road usage out in the country?

[swbarnett]

When we have the stats for the whole year then we can start to make assumptions, until then its just a blip.

Even a whole year is just a blip in the long run.

[BoristheBiter]

Actually now I do understand. I see the red rep you left for me with the friendly little note and a see you like to play in the arcade a bit here. No wonder you offered me crayons, I'm dealing with a fucking child.

Do you not understand examples? I give an example of fuel being $10 a litre. You come back with 'but it's not $10 a litre'. Now I use an arbitrary number, 200,000, as an example (ie it's not a real figure) and once again you come back disputing my numbers. Of course they are not real numbers, they are made-up numbers to illustrate a point.

Now how can the traffic 'be the same' if there are fewer people using their cars? Have you surveyed the traffic numbers? Sat there and compared actual numbers with different months? For every period of every day? And for that matter how many of our national road fatalities does Auckland city contribute? Have you observed road usage out in the country?

I understand examples fine, i just think yours are too far fetched.
as for the red rep i just returned the favor.

[BoristheBiter]

Even a whole year is just a blip in the long run.

Yep it is that.

[onearmedbandit]

I understand examples fine, i just think yours are too far fetched.
as for the red rep i just returned the favor.

They are far fetched for a reason, and to be perfectly honest 200,000 out of 10,000,000 isn't really a high number, considering how many journeys are undertaken each year in our country. Using large numbers though makes it a lot easier for some people to understand. A while ago on here there was a debate about whether weight affected acceleration. The point was proven when someone suggested imagining a very large weight on the car, would that affect acceleration? The same can be done with motorists driving habits and the price of petrol.

No matter how small the weight, it would make a difference. Same with fuel costs. Remember there are people out there, apparently a lot, that don't have any disposable income, so using the car when fuel increases even by a little makes things a lot harder, and one way of saving money is using the car less.

[Gremlin]

Even a whole year is just a blip in the long run.

Just how big is this scale?

The human race is a blip on some scales

[swbarnett]

Just how big is this scale?

That can be fairly subjective but it is certainly more than a single year. If the trend continued for a second year I would say there might be more going on than a mere statistical blip but it's still to early too tell. After five years you could probably conclude that a trend was indeed in evidence.

The human race is a blip on some scales

Indeed it is. Even the life span of our planet is a mere blip to the age of the universe.

[Mekk]

National road policing manager Paula Rose said the reduced toll could represent a sudden "societal shift" on road safety in New Zealand.

Is anything "societal" really sudden?

Did we all just have an epiphany? - actually, fuck it, I'm going to drive safely this year!

we should have one of those things for murder and theft.

[ducatilover]

You're all blips.

[baptist]

No way, the police have finally found the right mix of Speed Cameras, infringements, and advertising dollars spent to cause a reduction in the road toll.

dunno bout their math, but their logic goes: if it's good, take credit for it, if it's bad blame somebody else!

Don't we all do this at some time or another? they are just better at it than the rest of us (maybe more practice?)

The only 100% certain reason for the lower number of fatal crashes is that there have been less crashes this year where people have died. Strange but true.

Logic!!!!! a philosopher will now ask you why.... I am not so I won't

You want to get yourself one of them there motorbike things.

OOohh dangerous, those things should be banned....

See now you are just making shit up.
first you say a few friends don't use their cars as much now its in the 100k.

What i said was, NOW PAY ATTENTION, there might be a few people that have stopped using their vehicles due to the fuel price but it has made no difference on the road as the traffic is still the same, so therefore it is such a small number that this can not be really considered when looking at the cause of the crash stats coming down and if you look at the Auckland region it is still the same as last year.

Do you have that now or should i get the crayons out?

May be time for some silly hats soon

[Oblivion]

May be time for some silly hats soon

Beer first?

[baptist]

Beer first?

uuummmmm let me think or maybe a beer silly hat....

[Berg]

I sat and looked at the figures today at work. Good to see a trend downwards no matter what causes it. I think we can all agree a lowering road toll trend is a good thing.
Shocking to see the numbers back from the dark old days of the 80s and 90s. I remember them well having driven tow-trucks right through that disastrous period.