Secret abortions for under 18s? Good shit.

**avgas** · 18th May 2011, 16:05

Originally Posted by The Stranger

This is the sorry of Jonny and Mary (not their real names).

Ya bloody yob. Your supposed to say it was a mate of a mate so we couldn't guess.

**The Stranger:Me** · 18th May 2011, 16:34

Originally Posted by avgas

Ya bloody yob. Your supposed to say it was a mate of a mate so we couldn't guess.

Hey, I got 4 kids and am still irresponsible.

**Edbear** · 18th May 2011, 16:37

Originally Posted by avgas

Yeahno.

Once again ideal family is not every family.
Would be good if family could talk things through like abortion but sometimes a completely transparent relationship with parents doesn't happen.........so having a "behind your back" thing while evil could be a necessary evil in some cases.
While I would like to think my (future) daughter could talk to me about things.......I would respect that some things she won't be about to talk to me about.
I still haven't told my dad about the time I stole his bike and hit my first 200....... prob never will. Doesn't mean to say they I have a bad relationship with him. Actually have a bloody awesome one. But do you tell your best mates or closet family EVERYTHING?

You have a closet family...?

**scracha** · 18th May 2011, 17:29

Originally Posted by Edbear

Even in the case of pregnancy by rape, the baby does not deserve to be treated in such an inhumane manner. Certainly support the victim mother, even get someone else to look after the baby if she can't handle it, but don't murder an innocent child in the most barbaric ways possible.

So if I was a evil barsteward, raped your missus and got her up the duff, you'd effectively turture her in the most barbaric way possible inside her own body for the next 9 months and well beyond? Bullshit.

Foetus != baby.

Females who can't get abortions will just go back to back street butchers, coat-hangers, suicide, overdoses, alcohol and drugs. Regardless of your moral opinion on the matter, legalised abortion is the lesser of two "evils" (as you call it).

**Geeen** · 18th May 2011, 17:53

Originally Posted by superman

I don't agree with quite a lot of my parents positions

You know what positions your parents use?!?

Just how close is your family??

**awayatc** · 18th May 2011, 17:58

Life is hard enough for normal mortals.
Unwanted and unloved "babies" have no chance and will burden society....

Even Godbotherers.....

Better pray You, or your beloved wife and children dont run into a the result of what you are preaching for....

Your heads are so far up your arses that a fart seems to smell like a breath of fresh air...

**Usarka** · 18th May 2011, 22:12

Originally Posted by scracha

So if I was a evil barsteward, raped your missus and got her up the duff, you'd effectively turture her in the most barbaric way possible inside her own body for the next 9 months and well beyond? Bullshit.

And then you'd be locked up in a cell for 20 years being raped by bubba. Because that's really humane.

**The Stranger:Me** · 18th May 2011, 22:49

Originally Posted by Usarka

And then you'd be locked up in a cell for 20 years being raped by bubba. Because that's really humane.

Hello, New Zealand, 20 months - max.
Actually, unless he was speeding from the scene of the crime he's unlikely to even get caught.

**superman** · 18th May 2011, 23:28

Originally Posted by oneofsix

How come the same rules aren't allowed to be applied when these same function cease to work? Oops new debate

Yes... or that you know certain functions will cease to work some time very soon and you wish to...

**Ladydragon** · 19th May 2011, 01:52

Originally Posted by superman

I agree with that, abortion law in NZ is stupid.

I think you can abort 20 weeks in (the feminists at uni think this isn't long enough). Babies can live from 20 weeks in some cases!!!!

And you have to either be very very stupid or get raped to become pregnant. The symptoms show pretty quickly when pregnancy has occurred, so 20 weeks?! Fuck off. No one should need that amount of time.

It's best to have a termination when you are in the second trimester any further than 3 months the baby starts forming and can be dangerous for your health complications can happen to you.

**Ladydragon** · 19th May 2011, 02:05

Originally Posted by Edbear

1/ Most abortions are performed well beyond 4wks even it you accept it before then.

2/ Can't you see the hypocrisy of the Law? Why can one be charged regardless of the age of the foetus if it's not a human?

3/ On that note, it is a human by definition.

I agree at three months if you see it on a ultra sound scan fingers,arms,legs etc are starting to form so basicly you can call it a human not a foetus anymore

**Goblin** · 19th May 2011, 08:46

Originally Posted by Edbear

2/ Can't you see the hypocrisy of the Law? Why can one be charged regardless of the age of the foetus if it's not a human?

3/ On that note, it is a human by definition.

In that case, what about IVF? Do all those frozen little embryos deserve to be treated like "humans" on the shelf, waiting for a chance at existance? What happens when they're not needed? Is it cruel and barbaric to wash them down the sink when they're no longer needed?

**oneofsix** · 19th May 2011, 08:57

Originally Posted by Goblin

In that case, what about IVF? Do all those frozen little embryos deserve to be treated like "humans" on the shelf, waiting for a chance at existance? What happens when they're not needed? Is it cruel and barbaric to wash them down the sink when they're no longer needed?

They are all human. If you have accepted a situation that creeps you out because the cells are human, no matter how many times they have divided and what they have formed themselves into deal with it. Doesn't change the fact that they are human cells and therefore human. For the anti abortionist its easy to accept they are human because they can align abortion with murder, the pro-abortionists have to deal with the issue of when is it ok to take a human life. Have fun

**Luckylegs** · 19th May 2011, 09:18

Originally Posted by oneofsix

They are all human. If you have accepted a situation that creeps you out because the cells are human, no matter how many times they have divided and what they have formed themselves into deal with it. Doesn't change the fact that they are human cells and therefore human. For the anti abortionist its easy to accept they are human because they can align abortion with murder, the pro-abortionists have to deal with the issue of when is it ok to take a human life. Have fun

Not really! Its the anti crew who have the issues to overcome. The pro abortion people have the law on their side so have very little to prove!