BOMBSHELL. MNZ and ACC Trail ride plans

[Blagger]

Vote with your feet - simply boycott all MNZ affiliated rides.

If they succeed more people will ride illegally which is not a good look for the bulk of us who try to ride without pissing off landowners.

There is one opinion poll that the government takes heed of and it rolls around every four years..

[Woodman]

How do the hospitals charge ACC? Do they charge out at market rates? e.g. with a markup added for drugs, bandages, doctors time etc, or do they charge ACC at cost price? considering all the money comes from the same purse.
Just something I have always wondered is all.

But yeah it won't be long before we will need a permit to go for a walk around the streets. There are already way too many people here in Nelson that wear hivis vests when going for a stroll in broad daylight.

[rok-the-boat]

Do you know - in America - the so called land of the free, that in several States, you are not allowed to collect rain water off of your roof. It doesn't belong to you. The rain belongs to the private water company. And before you say it can't happen here, and that you would be up in arms if it did, just watch yourself let stuff like this happen. We are modern serfs.

[Jay GTI]

Vote with your feet - simply boycott all MNZ affiliated rides.

The problem with this plan is that if this is heading where I suspect it is with MNZ and ACC, we may well see legislation that means MNZ will have to be involved in any organised trail ride and trail park held in NZ.

Please can I ask anyone concerned about this to write an e-mail to both ACC and MNZ, expressing your concern about what you consider to be a gross and underhand misrepresentation of the NZ dirt biking community. I will also write to my local MP.

e-mail addresses:

complaints@acc.co.nz

presidentmnz@ihug.co.nz

[dave hamilton]

I agree with Krad why not start up arera electives and make it a inc where its a tax benefit for the society plus each area has a rep and we can take on mnz but i guess you would need people to have the balls to tell mnz to piss off and not be shy top run a good safe event i think we can upset the apple cart if we do a club like dbfnz but we can be a DB alliance inc society well thats my thought this way we get all areas coverd and hold the agm and this also gives kb riders a chance to meet and voice opinions i have a mate who is a lawyer and he can set up a society in 5mins given we can arrange such a thing

[random rider]

Please can I ask anyone concerned about this to write an e-mail to both ACC and MNZ, expressing your concern about what you consider to be a gross and underhand misrepresentation of the NZ dirt biking community. I will also write to my local MP.

e-mail addresses:

complaints@acc.co.nz

presidentmnz@ihug.co.nz

I have done it! I am normally the one that wants to get involved but leaves it to others. I have however taken the 5 min to type up and email to both of those addresses and sent it off.

I only attend events that I know are run well and safely. Tony - your events rock...Scott yours too And this is also why you have high attendances.

I don't have an issue if they set up minimum standards for rides. I would happily join a sub club of NZDB and would support them in registering each year and I don't mind if I had to pay an extra $5- $10 per ride/rider for ACC if that means that they leave us alone..... it would also mean that people that only ride 1-2 events a year don't have to register....but would like then to see that the levy be waived at rides if I was a paid up member.

I don't want to see people leave the sport as it is too hard bureaucracy wise.

My concern is that this is just the start of being a nanny state that is penny pinching to pay for that bureacracy.

I hope others do become involved and please keep us up to date with anything so that we can as a group do something.

[Jay GTI]

I have done it! I am normally the one that wants to get involved but leaves it to others. I have however taken the 5 min to type up and email to both of those addresses and sent it off.

I only attend events that I know are run well and safely. Tony - your events rock...Scott yours too And this is also why you have high attendances.

I don't have an issue if they set up minimum standards for rides. I would happily join a sub club of NZDB and would support them in registering each year and I don't mind if I had to pay an extra $5- $10 per ride/rider for ACC if that means that they leave us alone..... it would also mean that people that only ride 1-2 events a year don't have to register....but would like then to see that the levy be waived at rides if I was a paid up member.

I don't want to see people leave the sport as it is too hard bureaucracy wise.

My concern is that this is just the start of being a nanny state that is penny pinching to pay for that bureacracy.

I hope others do become involved and please keep us up to date with anything so that we can as a group do something.

Good man!!!

I too am all for minimum standards on organised trail rides and trail parks, I have been on a couple of rides where the trail marking has been well below what I would consider safe (no warning of very tricky sections). However, that should not be something MNZ assumes responsibility for without talking to the people who go to these rides.

Naturally I have a mistrust of ACC, after what have done to road riders, but I'm not convinced this is entirely their idea. As has been said already, MNZ are struggling financially, what better way of ensuring lots of cash flowing into their coffers? Get some kind of legislation that means we have to pay them a levy for every single trail ride in the country. How do you do that?

"Hello, is that ACC? It's MNZ here, do you know how people are injured in all these badly run cowboy trail rides that happen up and down the country? You need a governing body to make sure they are all run safely, it would save you money, it's in your interest. You'd need to make it a legal requirement though and I know just the organisation that could help, blah blah...".

C'mon, just a few more emails, doesn't have to be much, just a simple few lines stating your concerns. I have done this before on a completely unrelated matter and it only takes a few people to e-mail these organisations to make them take notice.

[random rider]

Good man!!!

HAHAHAHA ..... good chick! No worries though

I have done less damage (ACC wise) to myself with trail riding than the years of BMX and Netball.

Please others do write and maybe someone might listen. Better to be vocal than complain in silence!

Does anyone from NZDB know what options we as a collective can do?

[Jay GTI]

HAHAHAHA ..... good chick! No worries though

I have done less damage (ACC wise) to myself with trail riding than the years of BMX and Netball.

Please others do write and maybe someone might listen. Better to be vocal than complain in silence!

Does anyone from NZDB know what options we as a collective can do?

OOOOOPS...

Many, many apologies....

But thank you for your efforts, good chick

[CRF119]

If this is all about ACC everybody should just stop paying anything with ACC levies because for what i pay in ACC levies and ive never been on ACC in my life i could have health insurance for a lot less.

Motor cross riders do injure themselves a lot a good friend of mine is a nurse. A lot of injuries come from places that wouldn't be using this card mates farms etc.

If we don't pay what can they do i used to register my CBR900RR and it wouldn't leave the garage with out it, but now its cheaper to get caught with no reg once a year and pay the fine then pay for Reg. (Still has WOF)

[random rider]

If this is all about ACC everybody should just stop paying anything with ACC levies because for what i pay in ACC levies and ive never been on ACC in my life i could have health insurance for a lot less.

Main issue for me is that no consultation of the organisers of some of the best rides is not being done. It isn't about the ACC. I personally love ACC as it is nice to have it there when you need it. I have even acknowledged that I would pay a rego or small (not over the top or we will lose our casual/family riders) fee at rides.

I just don't want to find that we are having to pay for a group that does not fairly represent or understand us. We vote by turning up to safe rides. If that was all it was about fair enough but it isn't.

I just don't want to be told when/where/how I can ride. I ride to relax and catch up with friends. If it gets over complicated people will drop out....charity farm rides will be a thing of the past and events will not be run.

It is bigger than ACC .... for most of us at least - sorry rant over

[White trash]

I'm sorry, but I'm going to be a complete cunt (what's new) and ask where is the problem from organised trail rides having a portion of the fee go towards an ACC levy?

Do people not injure themsleves and require treatment on trail rides or something?

You can cry "boycot MNZ events" all you like, but MNZ are not driving this, they're the target. ACC will come looking for levies off EVERY trail ride, MNZ affiliated or not soon enough. That's a fact.

[morg_nz]

I'm sorry, but I'm going to be a complete cunt (what's new) and ask where is the problem from organised trail rides having a portion of the fee go towards an ACC levy?

Do people not injure themsleves and require treatment on trail rides or something?

You can cry "boycot MNZ events" all you like, but MNZ are not driving this, they're the target. ACC will come looking for levies off EVERY trail ride, MNZ affiliated or not soon enough. That's a fact.

see my posts above, i completly agree mate

[Paul Searancke]

I see soapboxes must have been half price at the Parakai Superette this week Tony.

There is an interesting article in this months KiwiRider where MNZ's Paul Searnacke explains what he wants to achieve regarding "Recreational Off-Road Riding", doesn't seem too scary to me.

I would encourage posters to this thread to read this KiwiRider article before reaching any conclusions.
MNZ has not been in any discussions with ACC about Trail Ride activities since 2009 other than to advise of the reduction in injuries at MNZ events due to proactive work by MNZ and member clubs.
MNZ have submitted to the Department of Labour on the "REVIEW OF RISK MANAGEMENT AND SAFETY IN THE ADVENTURE AND OUTDOOR COMMERCIAL SECTORS IN NEW ZEALAND 2009/10" in an effort to ensure that voluntary organisations such as MNZ Clubs were excluded from any changed regulations. See this link for the latest update on this; http://www.dol.govt.nz/news/adventur...on-may2011.asp
For those who are MNZ club members, ask your club about the presentation given at this years MNZ AGM on Trail Rides as this should at least be accurate "hearsay". As for consulting clubs such as Waitemata on Trail Rides, Waitemata and many others have been and are still involved on moves to improve MNZ Trail Rides.

Paul Searancke
Recreation/Leisure Commissioner
MNZ

[Kickaha]

Paul Searancke
Recreation/Leisure Commissioner
MNZ

How dare you come in here to set the record straight instead of using rumour and hearsay like everyone else