Mike, are you Mikey?

**Banditbandit** · 19th July 2011, 09:15

Originally Posted by The Lone Rider

Can someone please give me the date and time this aired on TV? I did not catch it when it aired, but only saw the online snippet.

I will be laying a formal complaint to the chief exec of broadcasting for TVNZ.

Others feel free to join in. I don't believe the portrayal of motorcyclists/bikers was in anyway accurate or fair. And that is a breech of broadcasting standards.

Good luck. As a journalist in a former life I can warn you now - it's not a breach.

**FJRider** · 19th July 2011, 10:44

Originally Posted by Katman

... As Shrek said, the story was accurate in that there are in fact many motorcyclists refusing to pay their rego at the moment.

Or at least many motorcyclists that can't afford the rego at the moment ... not quite the same ...

**theseekerfinds** · 19th July 2011, 10:48

Originally Posted by Katman

Let me guess - you're one of those "all motorcycle accidents are the fault of the fucking cager" retards, aren't you?

white hat and cape must sit well on you and your finger pointing.. nope I advocate training and awareness and fully admit my own responsibility in the crashes I have had, as opposed to unimaginative name calling of those not sharing my own views.. go fuck yourself Katman and take a chill pill while you are at it, it's not my fault you were beaten as a child so take your problems and get them sorted elsewhere.. no wonder people think this site is full of whingers and slaggers with posts of such substance as yours..

**theseekerfinds** · 19th July 2011, 10:51

Originally Posted by FJRider

Or at least many motorcyclists that can't afford the rego at the moment ... not quite the same ...

wonder how many of those same riders can afford beer and smokes (or other "essentials") though?

we all have priorities that are different I guess..

**FJRider** · 19th July 2011, 10:56

Originally Posted by theseekerfinds

wonder how many of those same riders can afford beer and smokes (or other "essentials") though?

we all have priorities that are different I guess..

Not many boycott protests at booze and smokes retailers over the current pricing levels I noticed ...

I guess everybody is happy to pay ...

**theseekerfinds** · 19th July 2011, 10:58

Originally Posted by FJRider

I guess everybody is happy to pay ...

dunno about happy, but they do seem to pay in some way shape or form.. I wonder what the turnout to a smokeoi or boozeoi would be??

**FJRider** · 19th July 2011, 11:05

Originally Posted by theseekerfinds

..... I wonder what the turnout to a smokeoi or boozeoi would be??

At whatever numbers ... I seriously doubt it would make ANY difference ...

**Katman** · 19th July 2011, 11:24

Originally Posted by theseekerfinds

I'm still seething over that wanker Smith saying that motorcylists were "responsible" for the accidents they have.. what a prick!! and you guys were mad about being represented by Mike.. Smith said we are responsible for all the accidents we are involved in, not just laying the entire blame at our feet on national tv but saying it in an unambiguous way.. it's all our fault, so we should be made to pay more!! I think that should be more of the focus of your vitriol than the biker who fronts up..

Thought I'd quote your post again to save you having to flick back through previous pages.

The words used in the interview were (from Steven Joyce) "While in many cases it's other drivers at fault it's also often motorcyclists at fault as well" (and from Nick Smith) "The level of levy that is being collected from motorcyclists for accidents on the road where the motorcyclists are responsible is still probably less than the actual cost".

He does not say that all motorcycle accidents are the fault of the motorcyclist.

However, there is plenty of evidence out there that in over half of motorcycle accidents, motorcyclists bear total or partial responsibility and in fact that figure rises to 75% for fatal motorcycle accidents.

And also bear in mind that there are countless motorcycle accidents that don't even make it to the attention of the powers that be.

**The Lone Rider** · 19th July 2011, 12:02

So I take it absolutely no one has any idea of the date and time this aired?

**Katman** · 19th July 2011, 12:07

Originally Posted by The Lone Rider

So I take it absolutely no one has any idea of the date and time this aired?

Post #3 should probably give you a clue.

If your indignant complaint matches your investigative ability, you're going to need more than just luck.

**Bald Eagle** · 19th July 2011, 12:23

Originally Posted by The Lone Rider

So I take it absolutely no one has any idea of the date and time this aired?

Here http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/high...-4300323/video

**StoneY** · 19th July 2011, 12:24

Originally Posted by Katman

However, there is plenty of evidence out there that in over half of motorcycle accidents, motorcyclists bear total or partial responsibility and in fact that figure rises to 75% for fatal motorcycle accidents.

I contest those numbers Steve and given the access I have to the data, I think I have a good place to contest from

I have also seen issues related to the data entry where a 250cc Kawasaki has been entered as a 2500cc vehicle, moving the average of the reporting for the 50 fatalities it was a part of, from 380cc to 660cc - 2009's data in fact

Wont get dragged into a 'whats the real number' yet because we are still investigating what that number ACTUALLY is but its far from 75% my friend

**Virago** · 19th July 2011, 12:26

Originally Posted by The Lone Rider

So I take it absolutely no one has any idea of the date and time this aired?

It's not rocket science - go to the TVNZ website - enter motorcyclists in the search field.

I suggest that you actually watch the item before complaining about it. There was nothing unbalanced about it, nor did it breach any Broadcasting Standards.

**theseekerfinds** · 19th July 2011, 12:39

whilst I see your point Katman I guess when I listen to the way Smith speaks in his very enunciated way I hear blame blame blame as opposed to balanced accountability.. I don't buy that we, as motorcyclists, should be apportioned with such a high percentage of levy when we, as motorcyclists, possibly don't account for that much of an ACC outlay relative to domestic injuries and alcohol related injuries or the like.. I pay my rego for car and bike and really don't begrudge the actual payment, I guess I think because of the ignorant belief of many that all motorcyclists can afford more because a motorcycle is a luxury toy, and we are all speeding maniacs, means we should pay more is flawed.. bear in mind here I have not looked into actual statistics nor into the details, I only speak from my own perception (however skewed that may be) I just think there should be more of an even handed application of the levy but that isn't the way it is.. I am not too sure of how it should be evenly applied but just think the amount could be spread around more than it is..