Who will win the 2011 election?

**Banditbandit** · 21st July 2011, 16:30

Originally Posted by shrub

Yeah, next thing you know they'll be getting educated, starting businesses, buying houses and marrying our daughters. Danged uppity negroes.

And from two hundred years ago ..

"Yeah, next thing you know they'll be getting educated, starting businesses, buying houses and marrying our daughters. Danged uppity Europeans."

(I could have put it in te reo Māori .. but then most of you aren't educated enough yet to speak the language of this whenua ...)

Nothing's changed much has it ..

**Banditbandit** · 21st July 2011, 16:32

Originally Posted by Banditbandit

It will be interesting to see the voter turn-out figures this year .. I suspect you might be wrong ... I hope you're wrong because a big voter turnout generally means a Labor win - a small turnout generally means a National win ..

Looking at the results of the pool at the top of this thread .. there is probably going to be a low voter turn-out - many people simply don't give a fuck

**Indiana_Jones** · 21st July 2011, 16:33

Originally Posted by shrub

Yeah, next thing you know they'll be getting educated, starting businesses, buying houses and marrying our daughters. Danged uppity negroes.

That quasi, he got a purdy mouth...

Not quite my point lol.

Now if they did those things no one would mind, I dare say half of them don't know how to read, can't be fucking learning our ways and just ride the system, so why do we let them in again?

-Indy

**shrub** · 21st July 2011, 16:40

Originally Posted by Indiana_Jones

Not quite my point lol.

Now if they did those things no one would mind, I dare say half of them don't know how to read, can't be fucking learning our ways and just ride the system, so why do we let them in again?

-Indy

Ah, you were talking about the European/pakeha immigrants, sorry.

**shrub** · 21st July 2011, 16:42

Originally Posted by Banditbandit

And from two hundred years ago ..

"Yeah, next thing you know they'll be getting educated, starting businesses, buying houses and marrying our daughters. Danged uppity Europeans."

(I could have put it in te reo Māori .. but then most of you aren't educated enough yet to speak the language of this whenua ...)

Nothing's changed much has it ..

Like Indy said: "I dare say half of them don't know how to read, can't be fucking learning our ways and just ride the system, so why do we let them in again?"

**Indiana_Jones** · 21st July 2011, 16:44

So to get into a nation you just say your current home nation is mean?

-Indy

**mashman** · 21st July 2011, 16:49

Funny debate to read.

The election outcome won't change things for NZ in the slightest... it'll affect a few individuals.

At the base level we're trying to generate enough money to look after a country full of people etc... and we're relying on individuals who want to keep what they have earned to achieve that goal. CGT and taxes back up again OR sell profit making entities so they can become investment opportunities for some people with disposable income

.

One thing I will have issue with though,

, the very same individuals, having to dig deeper into their trust funds, using tall poppy, envy, anti-success etc... as an excuse for not supporting the issue. I respect your point of view, but you're wrong... totally and utterly wrong.

I hate the rich because I'm fed up with their moaning and bitching when they're asked for more money by the govt to achieve the very goals that these individuals expect of their govt... they sound like a bunch of school kids fighting over the ball. I've earned it, much better to contribute to social disfunction than contribute using my hard earned.

Life is a thing of beauty at times

Go Hone

**Banditbandit** · 21st July 2011, 16:52

Originally Posted by Indiana_Jones

So to get into a nation you just say your current home nation is mean?

-Indy

Hmmm - actually to get refugee status you have to prove that your home nation is trying to kill you ... without good reason

**shrub** · 21st July 2011, 17:02

Originally Posted by mashman

Funny debate to read....

The election outcome won't change things for NZ in the slightest... it'll affect a few individuals.

At the base level we're trying to generate enough money to look after a country full of people etc... and we're relying on individuals who want to keep what they have earned to achieve that goal. CGT and taxes back up again OR sell profit making entities so they can become investment opportunities for some people with disposable income

.

One thing I will have issue with though,

, the very same individuals, having to dig deeper into their trust funds, using tall poppy, envy, anti-success etc... as an excuse for not supporting the issue. I respect your point of view, but you're wrong... totally and utterly wrong.

I hate the rich because I'm fed up with their moaning and bitching when they're asked for more money by the govt to achieve the very goals that these individuals expect of their govt... they sound like a bunch of school kids fighting over the ball. I've earned it, much better to contribute to social disfunction than contribute using my hard earned.

Life is a thing of beauty at times

Go Hone

Pretty good summation, but I don't hate the rich and I doubt you do either - I hate the greedy. There are many rich people who are quite happy to pay their way and be a part of making things better for everyone - Gareth and Sam Morgan and Selwyn Pellett in NZ spring to mind. Then you have the greedy who remind me of Gollum in their paranoid terror of having to actually pay tax "my precioussss, they wants my precious they does, nasssssty greenies". Over my life I have known many of them (and even been one once), and almost without exception they are unhappy and frightened people, constantly paranoid about someone getting one over them. Their paranoia about climate change is a case in point - they're not worried about the impact of climate change on the world they live in, or even their ability to make money - their sole fear is having to pay more tax.

It's amusing, but at the same time sad and a little pathetic.

**Banditbandit** · 21st July 2011, 17:11

Originally Posted by mashman

Funny debate to read.

The election outcome won't change things for NZ in the slightest... it'll affect a few individuals.

At the base level we're trying to generate enough money to look after a country full of people etc... and we're relying on individuals who want to keep what they have earned to achieve that goal. CGT and taxes back up again OR sell profit making entities so they can become investment opportunities for some people with disposable income

.

One thing I will have issue with though,

, the very same individuals, having to dig deeper into their trust funds, using tall poppy, envy, anti-success etc... as an excuse for not supporting the issue. I respect your point of view, but you're wrong... totally and utterly wrong.

I hate the rich because I'm fed up with their moaning and bitching when they're asked for more money by the govt to achieve the very goals that these individuals expect of their govt... they sound like a bunch of school kids fighting over the ball. I've earned it, much better to contribute to social disfunction than contribute using my hard earned.

Life is a thing of beauty at times

Go Hone

Yes, I remember watching a pre-budget item on the news a couple of years ago .. a small businessman was asked "What do you want from this budget?" His answer? "Lower taxes and more money spent on Education "

I thought .. shit, you are not likely to get both ...

**Indiana_Jones** · 21st July 2011, 17:24

Originally Posted by Banditbandit

Hmmm - actually to get refugee status you have to prove that your home nation is trying to kill you ... without good reason

Nobody wants to hurt those lovely skinny's

Does the police giving out speeding tickets count?

-Indy

**Indiana_Jones** · 21st July 2011, 17:27

Originally Posted by mashman

I hate the rich because I'm fed up with their moaning and bitching when they're asked for more money by the govt to achieve the very goals that these individuals expect of their govt...

I think it's more to do with the fact that they're expected to pay a greater percentage compared to those on a lower income rather then paying.

-Indy

**shrub** · 21st July 2011, 17:39

Originally Posted by Indiana_Jones

I think it's more to do with the fact that they're expected to pay a greater percentage compared to those on a lower income rather then paying.

-Indy

Nah, it's because they're whiny little faggots.

**Indiana_Jones** · 21st July 2011, 18:08

Originally Posted by shrub

Nah, it's because they're whiny little faggots.

Na, just the champagne socialists who say we should all do our bi to help the environment yet don't want to give up their chelsea tractors....

-Indy

**oldrider** · 21st July 2011, 19:12

The poll at the heart of this thread typifies the New Zealand electorate.

Labour and National operate a Clayton's coalition and bluff the electorate into believing that they are the only "serious" choices on offer!

They control this by offering carefully measured little cosmetic changes especially tailored to prevent the voters attention from straying outside the confines of their select little club!

As long as one of them is the resultant major player following any election, they are content to form coalitions with the sprat parties and eventually one or the other will be able to form a government while the other will be the major opposition!

Safe as churches. (as they used to say before the Christchurch earthquakes!)

Either way the Labour National coalition is still in power and nothing really changes, especially for the poor old unsuspecting voters!

The sprat parties are only nuisance value and easy for the major party twins to keep under control and continue to provide scapegoat services and someone to blame when things don't quite go to plan!

In motorcycling terms its just like the old Matchless - AJS competition, if you bought one, you actually really bought the other, they were made by the same company!

Henry Ford used to say, you can have any colour you like as long as it is black!

You can have a "RED" labour/national coalition government, or a "BLUE" labour/national coalition government, just as long as it is labour/national and the electorate believe they have made their own (Clayton's) choice!

How much longer are the New Zealand public going to put up with this bullshit situation?

Between elections the dissatisfaction penny almost drops as per poll above but then the rot sets in driven by the media and it's all back to normal again and the Clayton's coalition rules again!

(cynical I know but is MHO of the situation)