Police killing us again!

[swbarnett]

a lot less, but if there was no "PIG doing a u-turn" his speed would have been completely irrelevant,

Agreed.

the PIG doing a 3-point where he did was dangerous regardles had it been my (road legal) landy at 100km/h (if it could achieve that) instead of the bike

Also agreed.

the only difference would be justice. The biker would be alive the PIG car would be a write-off & the PIG would be injured,

At 100kph with 120m to stop and a cometant driver, chances are no collision would have insued.

It was a calculated risk most do it

As was the u-turn. Both contributed to the accident in probably about equal measure except for the fact that the cop intended to do a u-turn and mis-calculated the width of the road i.e. he did not know his turning circle at all. Still, it's unfortunate that one paid with his life and the other got away pretty much scott free.

[swbarnett]

I've struck it ... overtaking ... People pull out onto a main road turning LEFT ... they look RIGHT first ... but seldom look LEFT ...

One second road clear ...

This is exactly why you're not supposed to overtake while passing a side street. What happens if the vehicle you're passing does a right turn in front of you?

I learnt that lesson the hard way (almost). Thankfully, I managed to break enough to pull back and go past on the left.

[swbarnett]

Could've been an invisible spot of oil on the road just where the rider needed to hit the brakes in time to stop short of the obstruction.

Good point. You are, of course, also supposed to take the road surface and such debris in to account. Something that is not always practical.

[marty]

admittedly not likely to happen but neither is a PIG doing a 3-point in the most retarded place they could.

really? i can think of twice it's happened in recent memory.

[Scuba_Steve]

As was the u-turn. Both contributed to the accident in probably about equal measure except for the fact that the cop intended to do a u-turn and mis-calculated the width of the road i.e. he did not know his turning circle at all. Still, it's unfortunate that one paid with his life and the other got away pretty much scott free.

I wouldn't call that "calculated" it was "emotional"(for want of a better word) "I'll have him" followed by an attempted U'y in the worst place possible is not very "calculated" at the best of times, "calculated" would have been spinning it round up the road at the intersection & doing 200km/h to catch up again (assuming the road was fairly dead that night).
But none of this changes the fact the PIG was in the wrong & someone died just because he's been told to inforce the speed scam.

[Scuba_Steve]

really? i can think of twice it's happened in recent memory.

yea yea, I thought of that when I was writing it

[marty]

yea yea, I thought of that when I was writing it

yet you still wrote it. how fast are your reactions?

[Katman]

1 one thousand, 2 one thousand......

[Spearfish]

1 one thousand, 2 one thousand......

One thousand, nine hundred and forty four posts on the wall, One thousand, nine hundred and forty four posts.......

[marty]

1 one thousand, 2 one thousand......

should i brake? oh fuck. i should have. can't stop. must post.

[reofix]

if a cow had wandered on the road ... fuckin cows killing us again
if a tree had fallen on the road..... fuckin trees killing us again
if the road had washed away... fuckin rain killing us again
... would it be just possible
perhaps
maybe
............. that we should be able to stop in the space ahead

just so noone says... fuckin us killing us again

[Jack Miller]

Good point. You are, of course, also supposed to take the road surface and such debris in to account. Something that is not always practical.

That's why I said "invisible." It happens.

[Jack Miller]

really? i can think of twice it's happened in recent memory.

Doesn't it happen every time a cop gives chase to someone that was coming towards them?

[Kickaha]

if a cow had wandered on the road ... fuckin cows killing us again
if a tree had fallen on the road..... fuckin trees killing us again
if the road had washed away... fuckin rain killing us again
... would it be just possible
perhaps
maybe
............. that we should be able to stop in the space ahead

just so noone says... fuckin us killing us again

There wouldn't have been any of that, there would have been sympathy threads for the riders, and their actions leading up to the accident wouldn't be allowed to be questioned

[Jack Miller]

if a cow had wandered on the road ... fuckin cows killing us again
if a tree had fallen on the road..... fuckin trees killing us again
if the road had washed away... fuckin rain killing us again
... would it be just possible
perhaps
maybe
............. that we should be able to stop in the space ahead

just so noone says... fuckin us killing us again

Not stupid at all. Difference is 3-point-turning Cops make a conscious decision to do put other road users at risk. The examples you give are just fate - no conscious decisions involved, no sentient beings involved who we could ask to please stop making the roads more dangerous than they already are. Except perhaps your first example where we could ask the farmer to maintain the fences. If the farmer refused to fix the fence and cows kept killing bikers the farmer would face exactly the same justified condemnation that careless 3-point-turning killer cops earn.

I agree we should ride at a speed that allows us to stop in the visible space ahead.