Speeding tickets. Why the angst?

[rastuscat]

yea North Island

Skoober Stebe lives !! All Hail, Skoober Stebe.

Nice retort.

[swbarnett]

Might I suggest a third option.

Accept that when operating a vehicle we are interacting with the rest of the road users out there, and we have a responsibility to not adversely effect their safety. Similarly, we reasonably expect the rest of the road users not to adversely effect our safety.

Works for me.

I thought this thread was about speeding tickets, not safety?

[rastuscat]

I thought this thread was about speeding tickets, not safety?

IT'S MY THREAD, IF I WANNA HIJACK IT I CAN BLOODY WELL DO SO.

Calming down. Breathe. Wow, where did that come from?

[Scuba_Steve]

Skoober Stebe lives !! All Hail, Skoober Stebe.

Nice retort.

It should be pronounced "sieg heil! mein Führer Scuba Steve"

Not sure about living? The propaganda says I'm a Zombie... Apparently I died the day after I got my licence. Cost me $150 too if I remember right.

[swbarnett]

Well you'ld be a mug to credit them with a higher level of proficiency before they indicate proof of it.

This attitude is exactly why we have as many idiots as we do. My own philosophy is to treat other drives as though they can drive but be ready when the odd one proves they can't. I still get "abused" by the traffic but I get far less of it than I did when I expected every driver to run me down.

[Kickaha]

yea North Island

Best place for it too

[scumdog]

This attitude is exactly why we have as many idiots as we do. My own philosophy is to treat other drives as though they can drive but be ready when the odd one proves they can't. I still get "abused" by the traffic but I get far less of it than I did when I expected every driver to run me down.

So, in reality we're singing from the same song-sheet - only from different ends.

It's just I tend to see 'the glass-is-half-empty' side of things, maybe my job did it to me but I doubt it, I had a black-belt in cynicism well before I was in this job.

But good on you for being defensive in your approach toother drivers, you'll probably live longer for it.

[Jack Miller]

Not at all Jacko.

Actually yes RC. You asked why ticketing against the speed limit caused angst and received some well considered, thoughtful answers. Instead of acknowledging and considering them you trivialised the lot as:

because so many of us do it, and expect to have a right to do so

Engage with the answers and you might learn something.

But here is why you won't:

I have come to accept that no matter what any of us (engineers, educators, enforcers) does, crashes will happen. And if they happen at lower speeds, they will have less kinetic energy imparted.

The only logical conclusion to this thinking is that everyone must slow down until they are stopped. In other words the only "solution" that can enter your mind is one that totally eliminates the purpose of traffic. In your mind the only way to keep traffic safe is to have no traffic. This is impossible. So your mind remains closed.

[scumdog]

yea North Island

Hmm, that must be one of the 'advantages' of being in a cosmopolitan high population part of the country - not quite the same sort of level as large rock concerts and warm weather but...

[scumdog]

The only logical conclusion to this thinking is that everyone must slow down until they are stopped. In other words the only "solution" that can enter your mind is one that totally eliminates the purpose of traffic. In your mind the only way to keep traffic safe is to have no traffic. This is impossible. So your mind remains closed.

A lot of 'conclusion-jumping' there Jack - your 'logical conclusion' may well turn out to be an opinion.

And a bit of balance might not go amiss.

(You're not really Lou Girardin are you????)

[rastuscat]

The only logical conclusion to this thinking is that everyone must slow down until they are stopped.

No, you're right, and I'm wrong.

I've said it because I've tried to show some common ground, and you've consistently attacked even the grounds on which we appear to agree.

Best wishes from the real world.

[wingnutt]

Wrote a rambling note about speeding tickets on another thread, then decided it was off topic so deleted it. It was the POP radar detector thread.

It caused me to ponder why it's such an emotive issue. Exceed the tolerance applied to the legal limit, get a ticket, isn't that just how the law works? Why so much grief about it?

Sheesh.

For me, there is a sense that fairness, and common sense, has gone out the window a bit, when traffic tickets are issued these days, and when tickets get issued for what’s perceived as trivial, it’s probably why traffic officers have been given the label revenue collectors.

For instance, being issued with a ticket, for a 111kph, on a down hill slope, in the middle of nowhere, early morning, no traffic, fine dry conditions, I wasn’t being silly, is just nitpicking stupidity. Yes technically I was over the limit, but hey, a little bit of common sense could have gone a long way, but no, a fine for what I still perceive as for bugger all.

I do appreciate that they have to put up with some real dickheads, and I understand that officers have to follow instructions from their corporate leaders, who lets face it, all they think about is their dicks, and how much more money they can screw us for.

I also understand they have aresholes in their midst like all other organizations, but mainly as an old fart, if I’m stopped, I expect to be treated with humanity and respect, and any officer, who treats me otherwise, can expect it back by the shovel full

All in all though, I’m glad the traffic boys and girls are out there, it is safer because of them, but maybe if they were allowed to use their discretion a bit more, we would see an easing of nitpicking fines.

[Road kill]

A lot of 'conclusion-jumping' there Jack - your 'logical conclusion' may well turn out to be an opinion.

And a bit of balance might not go amiss.

(You're not really Lou Girardin are you????)

Fuck,,,those were the days

[scumdog]

Fuck,,,those were the days

And at the end of it all Lou and I were OK despite the slagging off and constant denigrating & 'cop-bashing' etc.

He was good enough to call in and see me when he was down this way, nice guy.

[Jack Miller]

No, you're right, and I'm wrong.

I've said it because I've tried to show some common ground, and you've consistently attacked even the grounds on which we appear to agree.

Best wishes from the real world.

There is an answer to the angst caused by ticketing against the speed limit, many clues to it are in this thread, and it is not as trivial as you imply.

Please consider this: In one year almost 900000 speeding tickets were issued in NZ - an equivalent of 27% of the population. What sort of "crime" is so universal that 27% of the population is convicted of it? Are so many people really so criminal?