Is John Key the man to lead NZ?

[Brett]

So any US vessel, being representatives of the biggest terrorist organisation in the world, could be considered fair targets?

Hippy alert? Seriously, the US govt have done some dumb things...but a terrorist organisation they are not.

[Brett]

Heard a rumour they had even improved the guns.

They don't have "guns". They have rifles, side arms, primary and secondary weapons.

[bogan]

Specialists are far more use in modern wars than piles of grunts. Compulsory service will come at the cost of these specialists. And in the broader view, civilian specialists earn more so we can have a bigger budget. Why take a year or two from everyone? And civilian contractors like engineers (like me) are potentially specialists in both areas, I could develop some UAV shit if I had the funding (and wasn't ethically against weapons development), or earn and pay more tax, why take a year or two out of either of those?

Also, still undecided on voting, don't want to vote to sell our assets, don't want to vote to raise the minimum wage, who is left?

[avgas]

They have..... and secondary weapons.

Solar flash flares don't count.

[oneofsix]

Specialists are far more use in modern wars than piles of grunts. Compulsory service will come at the cost of these specialists. And in the broader view, civilian specialists earn more so we can have a bigger budget. Why take a year or two from everyone? And civilian contractors like engineers (like me) are potentially specialists in both areas, I could develop some UAV shit if I had the funding (and wasn't ethically against weapons development), or earn and pay more tax, why take a year or two out of either of those?

Also, still undecided on voting, don't want to vote to sell our assets, don't want to vote to raise the minimum wage, who is left?

you could vote to not spend money on roads and spend it on light rail instead, or for a racist party, or for the old folks party (it would really annoy Nat and Lab if Winny crossed the 5%).

[Scuba_Steve]

Hippy alert? Seriously, the US govt have done some dumb things...but a terrorist organisation they are not.

thats a good one, I needed a laugh, thanks

[Swoop]

It was good, I suppose, that they found out how useless their ships were and how fantastic Exocet missiles were.

Almost the opposite. The missiles were successful because of the fucking retarded idiot Admiral (Sandy Woodward) and his decisions.
Sending a ship to the same location, to shell the same piece of farmland = easy, predictable target.

Correct tactics would have defeated Exocet, had the intelligensia the slightest clue how to run the show.

Thatcher was a war criminal for authorising the attack on the General Balgrano - in International waters...

Really a good tactical move. You are aware of the "pincer movement"?
The Brits were incredibly lucky there was ZERO wind that night.

[imdying]

thats a good one, I needed a laugh, thanks

They're not, they're a nations army. That however does not stop them from training a good percentage of the world's terrorist organisations. I can live with that, whatever, bit galling that they use our SAS to do it though.

[Robert Taylor]

Perhaps you should take a pill and calm down,

The air combat wing was disbanded on the advice of a former Nat, cabinet minister.
A Nat. cabinet minister who was right for a change.

Im very calm, its just that I have intense hatred for Clark

[SPman]

Im very calm, its just that I have intense hatred for Clark

She has that effect on people........

[SPman]

Hippy alert? Seriously, the US govt have done some dumb things...but a terrorist organisation they are not.

Have you really taken a serious, in-depth look at what the US gov. has done /does / is responsible for, over the earth. In most instances, if it was done to them, they'd be screaming terrorist action! Psy Ops, Black Ops, Special Forces in over 60 countries around the world......let alone the open aggression on no real evidence against countries in the Middle East.......the slow but steady increase in internal repression using the Police and Homeland Security....steadily becoming the ultimate Fascist police state of the kind that they have ostensibly been "keeping the West free from" since WW2.....

They are, however, not alone in this - just the worst of the offenders.

So far, they've kept out of Syria and Somalia, but the drum is beating to attack Iran....wonder who they'll get to do their dirty work for them...probably Israel.

If they go into Iran, you can be sure Key would be right there promising NZ troops........

Sociopathic fuckhead that he is......

[Usarka]

So any US vessel, being representatives of the biggest terrorist organisation in the world, could be considered fair targets?

Now you're just being silly.

well they are the only country to have been condemed for terrorism by the world court.......

[rainman]

Im very calm, its just that I have intense hatred for Clark

"'Righteous hatred' is in the same category as 'righteous cancer' or 'righteous tuberculosis'. All of them are absurd concepts."

[Hinny]

Now you're just being silly.

Hippy alert? Seriously, the US govt have done some dumb things...but a terrorist organisation they are not.

Not a Terrorist organisation?
Perhaps we need some definition of the word.

What is terrorism?
Originally it was actions of states – not small groups or individuals.
The French Revolution provided the first uses of the words "Terrorist" and "Terrorism".
Use of the word "terrorism" began in 1795 in reference to the Reign of Terror initiated by the Revolutionary government.
In the Modern Age, The United States Department of Defense defines terrorism as “the calculated use of unlawful violence or threat of unlawful violence to inculcate fear; intended to coerce or to intimidate governments or societies in the pursuit of goals that are generally political, religious, or ideological.”


Have the actions of the, inappropriately named, US Dept. of Defense satisfied these criteria.

Quite clearly – Yes.
(It surely should be named the US Dept. of Offense.)

Their "total war" practices have provided examples of the use of terror and violations of the law of war and these actions have severely damaged the legitimacy of international order and governments.

The subsequent desensitisation of people and communities to violence have led to acceptance of their actions as legitimate... As evidenced by the tenor of these stupid comments.

[Hinny]

Almost the opposite.

Really?
The Ships.
Superstructures made of highly flammable material.
Limited range.
Bed mattresses of PU foam - cause of most of the deaths.

Exocets.
As you say 'The missiles were successful'.
Knocked out the Sheffield even though the warhead didn't detonate.
After the Falklands War it was revealed that the British government and the Secret Intelligence Service were extremely concerned by the perceived inadequacy of the Royal Navy's anti-missile defences against Exocet missiles and their potential to tip the naval war decisively in favour of Argentine forces.