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    Quote Originally Posted by scumdog View Post
    On the same them: back in the day when a Hillman Avenger was about $3000 we did the same excercise and found the cost of building a diff for an Avenger from the parts list was $1,600.

    No logic...
    A new diff DIDN'T get rid of the whine ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by FJRider View Post
    A new diff DIDN'T get rid of the whine ...
    with avengers that wasn't a fault it was a feature.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MSTRS View Post
    New, in NZ $600 is being asked
    Used, in US $40us is being asked.

    Wrong? Not really. Would be - if new price in US was $40 compared to $600 here...
    If it is $40US 2nd hand then the new price is likely twice that ie $80USD. Still a shit load less than $600 Kiwi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikaholic View Post
    The fan ex US will be to as much to ship as well.

    A 12v dc axial fan ex jaycar or RS will do the job if you pick one close to the size, it is only shifting air (as fans do) when MC is stationary.
    Cobblers. Flat rate international box $15USD
    www.usps.com

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    Last year I cracked a head light on the Harley.

    I went into the local dealer who asked if it was the crystal or paterned glass? I said it was the crystal. They went out back got it, I paid my $68 and it came with a new bulb.

    I broke a half shaft on my trusty V8 Landrover.

    I went to the local Landy parts supplier who said ummmm sorry, the half shaft for a V8 is a unique item only for the V8 ,its the most expensive axle they make, and I dont have one in stock........ I can get you one in tomorow thats $98 thanks...........

    I dont know why you fuck around with jap vehicles, ok they are cheap but you are being ass fucked when you need a headlight for a GSXR1 thingy, and your bike is going to be off the road for 2 months, not for the freight but for the gready little wankers to revalue the Yen.
    Just another leather clad Tinkerbell.
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    do remember that 500 dollars is only about 30 000 yen , while not expensive, I’ve spent that on a night out .. ( and still didn’t get me leg over )

    for 30 000 yen.

    5 nights at a bar at 5k per night , ( pissed excl taxi )

    4 trips to a luv hotel

    a net book pc

    a tyre for a CBR blackbird

    a dinner and a few drinks at a reasonable restaurant

    a shag and a blowjop from a Chinese hooker

    The shinkansen from Tokyo to Kobe

    all relative I suppose

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    Its not just the bike industry - a 2012 Ford Focus Titanium retails for $50000 NZD in New Zealand. In the states you can buy the same car for the list price equivalent of $28000 NZD, in the UK it would be about $34,000NZD and a bit less than that in Spain. I think NZ´ers do get ripped off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grant` View Post
    I have ongoing issue with my dealer, he is great and will bend over backwards to help me. But he knows he can't match on prices....

    Bluewing Honda want $450 (on sale from over $600) for a seat cowl for my Predator, I can get a brand new one landed from UK for just over $200-$250 with shipping, I brought a second hand one along with some pazzo levers (which came off a bike which had done maybe 1000k's) off another forum in UK shipped to here for $340 nz both in mint condition and less than the cost of a brand new seat cowl here...
    ...and that right there shows how much unnecessary flack motorcycle dealers cop.

    Until someone actually works on the other side of the counter or knows someone within the industry, I don't think it's fair nor intelligent for people to assume that the actual dealer is making some huge profit simply because someone can import the same product from a whole different market for a fraction of the price. It's a different county with different suppliers and a vastly different volume of turn over.
    I still can't understand why people can't accept that the above factors are hugely influential but hey...whatever.

    Despite what people might think, distributors do set the RRP's. From the cost of the motorcycles through to the gloves...the lot.
    Even if a dealer sells a pair of gloves at full RRP there still isn't a large profit.
    If it was a high turn over market then the prices could drop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jasonu View Post
    If it is $40US 2nd hand then the new price is likely twice that ie $80USD. Still a shit load less than $600 Kiwi.
    Well that shows how little you know.

    Just checked on the American parts ordering sites and the price for a radiator fan for a 2009 Ninja 650R is just over $400US with most of the sites showing a discounted price down at just over $300US.

    Quote Originally Posted by jasonu View Post
    Cobblers. Flat rate international box $15USD
    www.usps.com
    It depends entirely on who is sending the part. Some companies charge ridiculous freight prices. It also depends on which side of the States a parcel is coming from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DMNTD View Post
    ...and that right there shows how much unnecessary flack motorcycle dealers cop.

    Until someone actually works on the other side of the counter or knows someone within the industry, I don't think it's fair nor intelligent for people to assume that the actual dealer is making some huge profit simply because someone can import the same product from a whole different market for a fraction of the price. It's a different county with different suppliers and a vastly different volume of turn over.
    I still can't understand why people can't accept that the above factors are hugely influential but hey...whatever.

    Despite what people might think, distributors do set the RRP's. From the cost of the motorcycles through to the gloves...the lot.
    Even if a dealer sells a pair of gloves at full RRP there still isn't a large profit.
    If it was a high turn over market then the prices could drop.
    and as been pointed out many many times....running a retail shop in high street in Hometown is very different than a warehouse in Arizona.Still we make our choices.The end game is in sight and the outcome is obvious.There will be a few large dealers in the whole country.Get used to buying your bike on line but i dont know how you will get it serviced

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    Quote Originally Posted by BMWST? View Post
    and as been pointed out many many times....running a retail shop in high street in Hometown is very different than a warehouse in Arizona.Still we make our choices.The end game is in sight and the outcome is obvious.There will be a few large dealers in the whole country.Get used to buying your bike on line but i dont know how you will get it serviced
    ...which is partially why I choose to no longer work in the motorcycle industry.

    The shear frustration with customers attempting to call me/us rips offs when they could buy a certain MX clothing range cheaper on a NZ website than what we as stockists could get it in for is nothing short of concerning (as a motorcycle dealership).

    BTW...agreed that the way of the future will probably involve multi franchise dealerships however certain importers will have to change their attitudes in order for that to even get off the ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jasonu View Post
    Cobblers. Flat rate international box $15USD
    www.usps.com
    Crap, the biggest box at flat rate international is 9" 1/4 X 6 1/4" X 2" at US16.95
    "If the fan can fit it this that fine (mine wouldn't), that next size flat rate international box is 11 X 8 1/2" X 5 1/2" at US$47.95 so cobblers, but don't let the facts get in the way.
    https://www.usps.com/send/priority-m...ional-flat.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikaholic View Post
    Crap, the biggest box at flat rate international is 9" 1/4 X 6 1/4" X 2" at US16.95
    "If the fan can fit it this that fine (mine wouldn't), that next size flat rate international box is 11 X 8 1/2" X 5 1/2" at US$47.95 so cobblers, but don't let the facts get in the way.
    https://www.usps.com/send/priority-m...ional-flat.htm
    facts in a the motorcycle industry is the devil thread, why start now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DMNTD View Post
    ...which is partially why I choose to no longer work in the motorcycle industry.

    The shear frustration with customers attempting to call me/us rips offs when they could buy a certain MX clothing range cheaper on a NZ website than what we as stockists could get it in for is nothing short of concerning (as a motorcycle dealership).

    BTW...agreed that the way of the future will probably involve multi franchise dealerships however certain importers will have to change their attitudes in order for that to even get off the ground.
    they will either like it or lump it,motomart in lower hutt and tss in lower hut show us the way(and of course WMC)

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    Unfortunately the business model does need to change, or more dealers will fall. And then the distributors will fall.

    The facts are, as an example, that I could import from a retailer in America a part and have it landed here for under $300. Honda wanted $630 for the same part. To stop this happening, either NZ'ers need to be stopped from purchasing from overseas (!) or the distributors/manufacturers need to change their methods. It's their choice, either campaign the government to prohibit private imports or adapt to a changing market. Or there is a 3rd option, and that is to fold.

    It's not a nice situation for them I'm sure, but it's the reality. Burying their heads in the sand and hoping the internet is just a fad isn't working.

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