Finally, the announcement of the Learner Approved Motorcycle Scheme (LAMS)

[HenryDorsetCase]

When that day comes, I will be in power.

Who will be first against the wall?

[ducatilover]

Who will be first against the wall?

The queers in the theatre.

And anyone I do not care for.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Good to see the Suzuki RE5 on the LAMS list. There's a heap of them around and they are really cheap too. Bargain learner bike.....

[ducatilover]

Good to see the Suzuki RE5 on the LAMS list. There's a heap of them around and they are really cheap too. Bargain learner bike.....

Not like those rare, expensive Duvati 400SS, Monster 400, 600SS, Monster 600... Can't have them in there! Too powerful.

[awa355]

I have a XVS650 Dragstar which is on the list. This might work in my favour, as later this year, I want to down size to a lighter smaller bike. About then, there maybe a newer rider who wants to swap to a full size cruiser, from his 250.

Will be interesting to see if there is any change to bike values.

[tigertim20]

lol - I still think 2ts will be ok.. I bought my 2t off a full licensed rider and I myself am a long time full licensed rider - learners generally don't go for them I recon.. for noobs there are too many unknowns about rebuilds and maintenance and reliability of a 2 stroke, and most don't even know what 2 or 4 stroke is. those vtr250s, gn250s, gt250rs etc seem very popular these days for learners. I never see any 2 strokes floating around or they are pretty rare.

just keep it, 2 strokes rule and make a mint 2nd bike/toy for proper thrashes, plus more of an enthusiasts bike.. There will still be people out there that want nice examples of the dying out 2ts.. another bonus is that no one makes 2t little sports bikes/race reps anymore so logically u will assume that value should increase as more of them blow up or rust away and only a few enthusiasts are left keeping theirs going

+1, keep it as a trackday toy and bring it out for summer each year - have a second regular ride as well!

List is pretty much a copy of the Victoria (Australia) State LAMS list.

It's up to the manufacturers to apply for LAMS status.

I'd love to see Harley-Davidson release a sleeved down version of the 883 Iron for LAMS.

this has been discussed at length before, and the general consensus is that its massively cost prohibitive.

The list is stupid and poorly done.

That is all.

its a starting point. It wouldnt take a huge amount of effort for someone like yourself to do something about it. Start compiling a list of other eligible bikes, and write to NZ agents of the manufacturers, if they can see their bikes being more popular, or new bikes making more sales as a result, theyll get in and do something. It's just going to take someone with the time and patience to chase it up.

I wonder though, how you could get on with say a custom bike? ala Ducatilovers bike - essentially a homebuilt bike. lots of people build cafe racers with an engine from x, a frame from Y, wheels from Z, etc etc - you are basically the manufacturer of a one off custom bike - in that circumstance, provided you do the vinning etc and have the paperwork, can you not apply to have your bike added to the list if your specs match the requirements? I cant see why not.

[Glowerss]

53hp/178kg for the XJ400S Diversion

Depends on where you look! It's either 53 or 42. My guess is 53 is at the crank and 42 is RWHP. It sure as shit doesn't feel like its pushing out 53 at the wheel. It's bloody slow

Speaking of, does anyone know how the LAMS NZ people are measuring horsepower? What metric are they using?

[nzspokes]

I wonder though, how you could get on with say a custom bike? ala Ducatilovers bike - essentially a homebuilt bike. lots of people build cafe racers with an engine from x, a frame from Y, wheels from Z, etc etc - you are basically the manufacturer of a one off custom bike - in that circumstance, provided you do the vinning etc and have the paperwork, can you not apply to have your bike added to the list if your specs match the requirements? I cant see why not.

My guess that will be part of a certification process like the low volume one for cars.

But thats a guess.

[Latte]

NC35 (RVF400) is LAMS legal but no mention of NC30 (VFR400 NC30)?

Who's got a cheap NSR250SP for me? or Aprilia RS250: they must be worthless now they arent learner legal.

My se just got written off for cosmetic damage. Decent payout too :-)

[ducatilover]

its a starting point. It wouldnt take a huge amount of effort for someone like yourself to do something about it. Start compiling a list of other eligible bikes, and write to NZ agents of the manufacturers, if they can see their bikes being more popular, or new bikes making more sales as a result, theyll get in and do something. It's just going to take someone with the time and patience to chase it up.

I might start a list as one of my random boredom things :

I wonder though, how you could get on with say a custom bike? ala Ducatilovers bike - essentially a homebuilt bike. lots of people build cafe racers with an engine from x, a frame from Y, wheels from Z, etc etc - you are basically the manufacturer of a one off custom bike - in that circumstance, provided you do the vinning etc and have the paperwork, can you not apply to have your bike added to the list if your specs match the requirements? I cant see why not.

I could kind of get ZZR600s in to the LAMS list doing this, just use a "dummy" ZZR400 motor with the speed cut disconnected, it'll rev limit at 10,000rpm instead of 15 (my 600 is doing this currently as there's no signal to the CDI ) Get a cert, pull that motor and biff the 600 in it, identical in terms of looks those motors are

But, that's a very interesting point, if people like me can start making modified bikes that fit in to the LAMS list...would be very, very cool!
I imagine you'd just chuck it on some certified scales and have a certified dyno run?

Depends on where you look! It's either 53 or 42. My guess is 53 is at the crank and 42 is RWHP. It sure as shit doesn't feel like its pushing out 53 at the wheel. It's bloody slow

Speaking of, does anyone know how the LAMS NZ people are measuring horsepower? What metric are they using?

I'm pretty certain the later ones like yours are 53 crank HP, so is the Honda CB400 SuperFour, but that's not on the list...technically.

[haydes55]

The queers in the theatre.

And anyone I do not care for.

And that one looks jewish! And that ones a coon!

[GrayWolf]

Apparently they only pulled 120mph or so, which the 2T 250s will do.

exactly my point, you ban 2T 250's because they do 120+mph, then allow a 650 with the same top speed, and 'overall' will have better performance figures. The only anti for the old XJ's isto hope if it's a YICS model the dealers still have the tool to 'isolate each carburator' for balancing, and if a pre YICS they had a horrible 'flat spot' at about 5-7,000rpm. Other than that they were/are damn good machines to ride and I did a lot of miles on my 650 Special....

[GrayWolf]

Depends on where you look! It's either 53 or 42. My guess is 53 is at the crank and 42 is RWHP. It sure as shit doesn't feel like its pushing out 53 at the wheel. It's bloody slow

Speaking of, does anyone know how the LAMS NZ people are measuring horsepower? What metric are they using?

I dont understand why you (people) have this fixation with power... lets put it in perspective (again).. google a few OLD bikes, the 1960's japanese 250-500cc and british 500-650 bikes... it will give you a bit of a reality check on how (underpowered) your bike is(nt).

[ducatilover]

exactly my point, you ban 2T 250's because they do 120+mph, then allow a 650 with the same top speed, and 'overall' will have better performance figures. The only anti for the old XJ's isto hope if it's a YICS model the dealers still have the tool to 'isolate each carburator' for balancing, and if a pre YICS they had a horrible 'flat spot' at about 5-7,000rpm. Other than that they were/are damn good machines to ride and I did a lot of miles on my 650 Special....

$10 says an RGV/NSR/TZR/RS will eat the arse off an XJ650

[riffer]

exactly my point, you ban 2T 250's because they do 120+mph, then allow a 650 with the same top speed, and 'overall' will have better performance figures. The only anti for the old XJ's isto hope if it's a YICS model the dealers still have the tool to 'isolate each carburator' for balancing, and if a pre YICS they had a horrible 'flat spot' at about 5-7,000rpm. Other than that they were/are damn good machines to ride and I did a lot of miles on my 650 Special....

It's not so much the HP. It's the delivery and the relative handling of the bike. The 2stroke 2-fiddies are twitchy little tykes at the best of times.

Me - I'm hoping to pick up a mint RS250 Ape in a year or so for less than $3000 - although maybe we could look at a racing class for the 2-fiddies if they get cheap enough.