Spring's here, time to die

[Zedder]

Again, I'm not knowledgable about aviation crash investigations nor the level of details, but...... no, a coroner's not just concerned with medical reasons at all.

A coroners job, at an inquest is to find out "how can incidents like this be prevented from happening again", and then attaching recommendations at any level right up to legislative level now, lol.

Medical reasoning is yet another seperate report altogether - requiring a medical dictionary, which then becomes a small part of the overview from the coroners report, yes, let's call it the Inquest report.

The inquest report which as I posted earlier is usually available in the public domain is nowhere near, not even close to being as detailed concerning the crash investigation report. Not in my experience anyway.

We're not exactly talking apples for apples here and no I didn't mean medical reasoning (reasons) but I do mean what Bass is saying ie, We can learn from aviation regarding accident investigation. Cheers.

[Genestho]

We're not exactly talking apples for apples here and no I didn't mean medical reasoning (reasons) but I do mean what Bass is saying ie, We can learn from aviation regarding accident investigation. Cheers.

Lol ok, confused over your reference to medical.

I agree that perhaps an online database of basic info could be relevant, any case referred to the coroner ie fatal - is available publically already, as to injuries I'd suspect the same but couldn't confirm that. The only new thing is collation and family permissions, write to the Transport Minister?

What I had suggested to Steven Joyce a few years back was a website much like Queensland transport that published stories from families or emergency workers, the information becomes more personal and you're not grappling with privacy act issues, it's also cathartic for survivors, family members or emergency workers, or even witnesses, Mr Joyce was keen on that approach, I just ran out of arms and time.

[oneofsix]

We're not exactly talking apples for apples here and no I didn't mean medical reasoning (reasons) but I do mean what Bass is saying ie, We can learn from aviation regarding accident investigation. Cheers.

learn from others individuals struggle with that one and all officialdom seems to be able to do is learn to make the same mistakes others have already made.

Vic roads learnt not to put road furniture close to the edge of the road, allow recovery space. Did NZTA learn from this? I see today on SH58, half a metre road side of an armco barrier there is now a series of upright plastic posts. Fuck if I know what happens when you hit them but they are so close to the road edge it will happen and I can't imagine you will still be upright afterwards. Also don't mention hw great they will be for target fixation.

Whilst you are right don't hold your breath as it costs money and might show that not every crash can be blamed on the driver just like the aviation industry learnt the pilots weren't as much to blame as they used to think. They also learnt how to make it easier for the pilots ot make the correct decisions (TV is always correct, right?)

[Howie]

IMHO we could learn a lot from how aviation accidents are handled. The CAA publishes a regular magazine which is circulated free to all registered aircraft owners. The last few pages of this mag contain summaries of all the NZ aviation accidents since the last publication.

There are these reports available through the NZTA, They show a few of the findings, and are broken down to Regions. http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/cr...&LocalAreaID=0

[Genestho]

Something I just remembered, didn't BRONZ run their own stats for a while, does anyone know if they still do?

[FJRider]

Vic roads learnt not to put road furniture close to the edge of the road, allow recovery space. Did NZTA learn from this? I see today on SH58, half a metre road side of an armco barrier there is now a series of upright plastic posts. Fuck if I know what happens when you hit them but they are so close to the road edge it will happen and I can't imagine you will still be upright afterwards. Also don't mention hw great they will be for target fixation.

There is ALWAYS a heap of stuff on the side of the road that may cause you pain/bother if you "fall" on it ...

The secret is to AVOID falling on "it" ... If you see stuff on the side of the road you DON'T want to "fall on" .. then you take all practicable steps to avoid doing so.

This MAY also include ... slowing down. It has been always the recommended first step in the attempt to not "fall onto" stuff ...

Some may even believe your NOT slowing down ... is an indication of your intent to "fall on" stuff ...


Just saying ...

[Zedder]

learn from others individuals struggle with that one and all officialdom seems to be able to do is learn to make the same mistakes others have already made.

Vic roads learnt not to put road furniture close to the edge of the road, allow recovery space. Did NZTA learn from this? I see today on SH58, half a metre road side of an armco barrier there is now a series of upright plastic posts. Fuck if I know what happens when you hit them but they are so close to the road edge it will happen and I can't imagine you will still be upright afterwards. Also don't mention hw great they will be for target fixation.

Whilst you are right don't hold your breath as it costs money and might show that not every crash can be blamed on the driver just like the aviation industry learnt the pilots weren't as much to blame as they used to think. They also learnt how to make it easier for the pilots ot make the correct decisions (TV is always correct, right?)

I know what you mean about learn from others there Oo6. I've just got back from Oz which is where we get our roading specs, transport and traffic policies from under the Austroads deal.

As far as pilots go though, they used to actually make a lot of mistakes and that's why courses such as Cockpit Resource Management were introduced.

[Ocean1]

If you see stuff on the side of the road you DON'T want to "fall on" .. then you take all practicable steps to avoid doing so.

Very good point. Big enough chainsaw I reckon I could cut the fucking stuff down faster than they can put it up.

[FJRider]

Very good point. Big enough chainsaw I reckon I could cut the fucking stuff down faster than they can put it up.

I have personally used such tactics in the past to good effect ... when it was required ...

[Usarka]

What's the difference between "backing yourself" and "it won't happen to me"?

[Drew]

After three years of a pristine licence, I'm back on 35 points after getting pinged doing 71 in a temporary 50.

(In a work ute on the SH1 Atiamuri bridge, shortly before construction started on the new one - the highway patrol fellas decided, after literally years of ignoring that temporary 50, to turn up and give it some enforcement to make everyone aware of the construction project's commencement. The demerit points burn even more because I have trouble disagreeing with the logic of that.)

I've gone three years without ticket too, but I admit it's mostly luck. Arguing that it is skill, is just more of your usual bullshit.

[Drew]

What's the difference between "backing yourself" and "it won't happen to me"?

Good fucking question...

Delusion mostly, I think.

[FJRider]

What's the difference between "backing yourself" and "it won't happen to me"?

KNOWING .... it "can't/WONT happen to me" ..

Backing yourself is just an act of confidence ... and (often) even confident riders crash ...

[Mom]

What's the difference between "backing yourself" and "it won't happen to me"?

I back myself as an experienced rider. I make mistakes as we all do (though apparently there are a few that dont) I have been fortunate enough to have got away with each and every one of them. I have one that still haunts me, I came so close.

BUT, I actually do back myself. I dont hold with it will NEVER happen to me, but I try my best to not place myself in a position that makes me vulnerable.

I dont take risks, I dont push my limits, I dont go out of my way to piss people off, but...

There by the grace of God go I. I take my chances, I back myself, and hope my skills and experience will prevent it from happening to me.

As a mother, I have developed eyes in the back of my head, not sure if that helps

[Edbear]

I think most of us rely on mirrors for that which may not be as effective...