Dobbed in weed-growing parents

[Edbear]

Aye, sounds about right. Which is just one of the reasons that we should legalise the stuff. @more police resources, more treatment "facilities" etc... you'll save a fortune by keeping them out of the courts to start with, may even end up with some drinkers changing their poison and potentially less hospitalisations (although that is one hell of a stretch to imagine), and as it's legal there may well be some tax $ in it along with the gangs being the suppliers for the legal trade. Who knows, they may even go legit



That's the point of the debate though, the risking of the conviction. Without anyone coming into one's house and without being silly enough to smoke out in the open, the "Responsible people" are already smoking in the safety of their own homes irrespective of the risk. It has been that way since it became illegal. I'd also be curious to know how they'd be able to calculate whether the number of "users" had gone up or down... primarily as it's all currently best guess as to the number of "users".

I was referring to the link on the Portugese situation. Maybe you should read it through? http://www.spiegel.de/international/...-a-891060.html

Well Ed, if homosexuals and lesbians are now legally allowed to marry, I wouldn't go betting the farm against the cannabis issue.

By the way, did you have a read of the link in post #1226?

Try to keep up, I know it is difficult for you. I have never argued against the researching of the possible medical benefits of Cannabis, or argued that there are none.

[Katman]

Try to keep up, I know it is difficult for you. I have never argued against the researching of the possible medical benefits of Cannabis, or argued that there are none.

So if it's becoming increasingly possible that cannabis could be used in the treatment of cancer, what if it was found that cannabis use could actually help prevent cancer?

[mashman]

So how can you be sure then ... you have the numbers to ensure it is (will be) a popular vote then.

Are there enough people in the right places to get the Bill through Parliament ... ??

At the moment ... the answer to both is ... you don't know.

I'm not sure at all. It may well be that the population is against the idea and the status quo remains for another 100 years... but we'll never know if we don't try. Given what's happened in Portugal, is it likely that society as we know it is just going to collapse? I can't see it... and worst case scenario is that it has to be made illegal again.

Aye, probably no to both and yes I don't know.

[mashman]

I was referring to the link on the Portugese situation. Maybe you should read it through? http://www.spiegel.de/international/...-a-891060.html

I read it through last time around, yes, both pages. I like the approach they've taken and it looks to have turned out as a zero sum game over those 12 years.

[FJRider]

So if it's becoming increasingly possible that cannabis could be used in the treatment of cancer, what if it was found that cannabis use could actually help prevent cancer?

Some may be hard to persuade that ... the smoking of cannabis will help prevent cancer.

Due to the lack of documented facts of it's resulting use (other than through smoking it) ... it would be a difficult argument to pursue.

[Edbear]

So if it's becoming increasingly possible that cannabis could be used in the treatment of cancer, what if it was found that cannabis use could actually help prevent cancer?

As I've said, again repeatedly, , if science comes up with a product/drug from Cannabis that was equally effective against others for any illness and had less side effects, I would be all for it.

I would want clinical trials though as proper evidence not the anecdotal everyone wants to go by.

The drug scientists are always very busy looking for the Holy Grail of cancer cures as the first to come up with one would be instantly a Billionnaire. Of course some here are died-in -the -wool conspiracy theorists. and will never accept that there is a genuine drive world-wide to find more effective treatments.

[bogan]

So learn how to make a compelling argument and teach me.

Maybe my actual point was lost in among my sparring with the idiots? Give me a minute or two and I'll recap wihtout the sparring.

It's getting lost again Ed. How is that recap coming?

[Katman]

The drug scientists are always very busy looking for the Holy Grail of cancer cures as the first to come up with one would be instantly a Billionnaire. Of course some here are died-in -the -wool conspiracy theorists. and will never accept that there is a genuine drive world-wide to find more effective treatments.

I have long believed that the answer to all our health issues already exist on earth in a natural form - it's up to us to find them.

Far too much reliance is placed on man-made drugs.

Perhaps it's the likes of you Ed that are keeping the drug companies in a roaring trade, and in doing so, holding the well-being of mankind back.

[blue rider]

oh look a girl and a motorbike...

[Katman]

Some may be hard to persuade that ... the smoking of cannabis will help prevent cancer.

Due to the lack of documented facts of it's resulting use (other than through smoking it) ... it would be a difficult argument to pursue.

Yeah, it's far easier just to say "it won't work so we won't try it".

That sounds like it comes straight from the Edbear School of Reasoning.

[PrincessBandit]

Yes, if you Google Seven Sharp reviews I'm sure you'll find that is a typical opinion of that show!



Yes but it is much easier to discount the substance of them by just saying they are rubbish; surely by now you don't expect this troll to actually back his own claims?

It is now time for really silly hats

Look at that shit, there's like a little bathroom in there, in addition to it being ridiculously oversized and unwieldy.

Including a toilet for all the shit!

[Edbear]

It's getting lost again Ed. How is that recap coming?

In short, the question is whether decriminalising Cannabis is the best way to go and whether those who only smoke a joint privately in their own home should be subject to law as it stands.

I personally don't think it will help or lower costs as also is claimed by the pro camp. I do not consider that Cannabis is harmless as much as those using would like to vehemently claim it is. There are too many actual clinical trials to the contrary, (which are summarily dismissed by the stoners).

I have long believed that the answer to all our health issues already exist on earth in a natural form - it's up to us to find them.

Far too much reliance is placed on man-made drugs.

Perhaps it's the likes of you Ed that are keeping the drug companies in a roaring trade, and in doing so, holding the well-being of mankind back.

Most "man made drugs" are from the natural flora of the Earth. Simply finding and extracting the active ingredient and making sure it is in the right dose and effective with minimal side effects. The synthesising of drugs is an effort to keep up with demand and lower the considerable cost of the most needed or required drugs, so that as many as possible can benefit. Who, apart from the "drug companies", has the money to find and develop drugs?

Say what you like about Pharmac, without this department the cost of drugs here would be prohibitive as it is a Government department to try to reign in the drug companies desire to maximise their profits from the drugs they supply.

It is always a balance of cost-benefit as there is smiply not enough money to provide everyone with all the drugs they need.

oh look a girl and a motorbike...
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Nice photo...

[Katman]

I do not consider that Cannabis is harmless as much as those using would like to vehemently claim it is. There are too many actual clinical trials to the contrary, (which are summarily dismissed by the stoners).

Fuck knows who Angry Harry is but he seems to think alcohol and tobacco are both more dangerous.

http://angryharry.com/reDrugsRanking.htm

[scissorhands]

They should ban people like Edbear, his opinions are far more harmful to society than weed has or ever will be

AND the only reason I 'follow' [not] the fool is to keep kicking his stupid unfactual ass, ass it burns in the wind

[mashman]

It is always a balance of cost-benefit as there is smiply not enough money to provide everyone with all the drugs they need.

Pretty stupid given that money is an infinite resource , oh and that there are enough drugs if there's enough money.