NZSBK Round 2 - dispute

**Billy** · 28th February 2014, 17:08

Originally Posted by tigertim20

so, if one assumes the rules are written as they are in order to ensure that people are competing on equal machinery, why split hairs on the matter of 'selecting from a range of oem parts' and 'machining said part WITHIN MANUFACTURERS SPECS'?
I mean, manufacturers specs have some range to them, due to manufacturing being an imperfect process - thus two or three bikes that came off the assemble line sequentially are likely to have slightly different measurements of the fitted parts, and from what I understand, it isnt uncommon for this to result in said sequentially produced bikes to perform differently on a dyno when compared to each other.
So this imperfection on manufacturing creates something on a luck of the draw scenario for who buys the bike off the floor with the slightly more beneficially spec'd parts does it not?

surely provided the parts on each machine are within manufacturer specs, then everyone truly has the opportunity to create equal machinery by blueprinting to whatever spec within the range is 'ideal'?

Yip,

I get what you mean,But if you allow machining,Then there will be those that have the ability to get the tolerances spot on,Thats fine in mopst other classes,But this is an entry level class whereby some of the competitors use their machines for daily transport and/or as newbies to the sport to not have the required knowledge or money to have such work done,Therefore it is no longer a level playing feild

**Deano** · 28th February 2014, 17:18

Originally Posted by Billy

Yip,

I get what you mean,But if you allow machining,Then there will be those that have the ability to get the tolerances spot on,Thats fine in mopst other classes,But this is an entry level class whereby some of the competitors use their machines for daily transport and/or as newbies to the sport to not have the required knowledge or money to have such work done,Therefore it is no longer a level playing feild

How then do you detect what came out as OEM and what has been machined later ?

Also, are factory 'tolerances' more of a determination of when a part needs replacing, rather than what the differences might be when they come off the line as OEM, and therefore should not be construed as OEM ?

**Kickaha** · 28th February 2014, 18:16

Originally Posted by Moto-Dynamix

Hey, are you the swinger I upset in the toilet block at ch ch a few years back Kickaha

No, you're only remembering part of the story

You got upset with me because I had a go at you on here and told you if I had to give anyone a description of you then the words grumpy opiniated cunt would feature in it

**merv** · 28th February 2014, 18:30

Toilet block, that doesn't sound a pretty story.

**Kickaha** · 28th February 2014, 18:37

Originally Posted by merv

Toilet block, that doesn't sound a pretty story.

Yeah imagine an angry ginga dwarf making homosexual advances and the story would get even worse

**Shaun Harris** · 28th February 2014, 18:45

Originally Posted by Kickaha

No, you're only remembering part of the story

You got upset with me because I had a go at you on here and told you if I had to give anyone a description of you then the words grumpy opiniated cunt would feature in it

That sounds realistic I guess from some one like your self mate

**Grumph** · 28th February 2014, 18:46

Originally Posted by Billy

Yip,

I get what you mean,But if you allow machining,Then there will be those that have the ability to get the tolerances spot on,Thats fine in mopst other classes,But this is an entry level class whereby some of the competitors use their machines for daily transport and/or as newbies to the sport to not have the required knowledge or money to have such work done,Therefore it is no longer a level playing feild

quite correct - but i'd argue that as "production" motorcycles can differ widely as they come off the line, blueprinting can potentially result in a more level playing field....
I'm looking forward to seeing a remit insisting that all production class bikes be road registered- and legal - and must be ridden to the meeting.

Edit - And raced on the tyres they rode in on......

**Shaun Harris** · 28th February 2014, 18:47

Originally Posted by Kickaha

Yeah imagine an angry ginga dwarf making homosexual advances and the story would get even worse

sorry for thinking your big but was sexy and you looked like you would be good at reach arounds

**Billy** · 28th February 2014, 19:04

Originally Posted by Grumph

quite correct - but i'd argue that as "production" motorcycles can differ widely as they come off the line, blueprinting can potentially result in a more level playing field....
I'm looking forward to seeing a remit insisting that all production class bikes be road registered- and legal - and must be ridden to the meeting.

Edit - And raced on the tyres they rode in on......

What!!!! No wets when it rains?? haha

Yea,I personally think we cocked up a little when the fuel injected bikes arrived and we allowed the use of power commanders.My personal thoughts are that we should have changed the rule and made the carburated models run std jets and needles.

**quickbuck** · 28th February 2014, 19:05

Originally Posted by Grumph

I'm looking forward to seeing a remit insisting that all production class bikes be road registered- and legal - and must be ridden to the meeting.

Edit - And raced on the tyres they rode in on......

Bugger... I sold off the road gear to pay for last season.... And all this talk of pulling the engine apart... As I have said, can't be bothered with that crap... Just want to turn up and race it pretty much how it finished the last meeting.

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**Billy** · 28th February 2014, 19:07

Originally Posted by Deano

How then do you detect what came out as OEM and what has been machined later ?

Also, are factory 'tolerances' more of a determination of when a part needs replacing, rather than what the differences might be when they come off the line as OEM, and therefore should not be construed as OEM ?

Some of the info is supplied when the homologation papers are sent in,Some on request from the distributor or factory on request,We are presently seeking info unavailable from KHI from the manufaturers in Thailand through an Australian agent

**wharfy** · 28th February 2014, 19:11

Originally Posted by Grumph

quite correct - but i'd argue that as "production" motorcycles can differ widely as they come off the line, blueprinting can potentially result in a more level playing field....
I'm looking forward to seeing a remit insisting that all production class bikes be road registered- and legal - and must be ridden to the meeting.

Edit - And raced on the tyres they rode in on......

I did that for a Vic Club Winter Series - it was kinda fun to start but got to be a pain in the arse - specially when I got a puncture

**quickbuck** · 28th February 2014, 19:17

Originally Posted by Billy

.My personal thoughts are that we should have changed the rule and made the carburated models run std jets and needles.

Again, a very bad weekend if I have to pull the carbs out.... Don't have a clue what size my jets are either.... Actually, thinking about parity, I think that is worthy of a rule submission.... Yup, we all know there can be a flat spot in the carb bikes, so it would teach the rider to manage that.Will also mmean the FI bikes can't be tweaked with the Power Commander....

I can hear the cries already, but think about it....
It allows somebody to turn up on dads commuter bike and be competitive.... Or even dad himself.
Yes, this has been done over the past 12 months with the VMCC and PMCC.

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