Police getting tougher on speed tolerance

**haydes55** · 1st December 2014, 22:46

Originally Posted by rastuscat

The $30 tickets the lower tolerance will generate will add feck all to the consolidated fund. It costs $26 to process an average ION. The extra speeding tickets will generate feck all once their cost is considered. If it was all about revenue we'd be sitting on corners making non-indicators.

Please do! I'd buy you donuts myself if you were to sit at a round about and ticket every retard who can't move their wrist 10cm.

But that would only reduce low speed crashes, and the cops don't give a shit about stopping crashes, only reducing the effects of crashes.

While you're at it, ticket every spethal needs driver who sits in a right lane without over taking, or who don't pull in to slow vehicle bays (half the time I overtake on the left).

If just a third of cops gave out tickets for the most basic shit that drivers HAVE to do, I bet the crashes would reduce ten fold.

**GrayWolf** · 2nd December 2014, 00:49

Originally Posted by rastuscat

Cool, so now you want us to be driving instructors. I hear you, but teaching people to drive is the responsibility of the NZTA. ACC contributes by subsidising motorcycle training. We don't do driver training. We're not funded for it, and frankly, we aren't driving instructors.

We do enforcement. Just sayin.

Yes and the British Police Traffic Division Motorcyclists (who are paid as law enforcers) Also run training for the public,....

just sayin!

**SPman** · 2nd December 2014, 01:47

Originally Posted by Gremlin

Currently looking for a van, ute had cruise control... van won't. Top of the accessory list is fitting an aftermarket cruise control. Just not worth the risk otherwise... I use it most of the time I'm not in traffic as I don't drive enough to detect small changes...

My 2008 Transit has cruise control. Very handy when WAPOL is about.......
Handy hints if you get pinged at a ridiculous(slow) speed (if it's been posted already - tough, I'm not reading 8 pages of crap to find out) - and to those whose response is "do the crime, pay the fine" - go fuck yourselves!

Originally Posted by Alan Dick

CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE
I challenge every person who gets a speeding ticket under the zero tolerance regime to fight it.
Here's what you do.
When pulled up.
1. Ask to see the officer's certificate indicating he/she is trained to operate radar speed detection equipment.
2. Ask to see all certificates relating to the unit itself and check that all serial numbers are correct.
3. Ask to see the day's test results that should have been done before the officer went on patrol.
If all of those things are in order take the matter to court.
— Ask for proof that the radar units are capable of recording zero tolerance speeds. I believe they are plus/minus 2 or 3 percent.
— Ask how zero tolerance can be enforced when speedometers in cars in NZ are only required to be accurate to within plus/minus 10 percent under the Australian Design Rules (ADRs) that this country has adopted.
Of course, it's futile if you are 15 or 20km.h over the limit, but if there's a shadow of doubt — challenge it in court.

**awa355** · 2nd December 2014, 02:01

Originally Posted by scumdog

Can't ever remember that but it's logic right up there with the attitude from some when seat-belts came in (not any cops that I can recall - but who knows?).

'Some' thought drivers would think themselves invincible because the seat-belts would save them, ergo they would then take more risks, drive faster.

Had a school mate that said the same, " my passengers can wear the seatbelts, I will just grip the steering wheel and brace myself". He died when his hotted up Hillman Super Minx took on a 4' gumtree. Dont know if Mark had his seatbelt on that night, wouldn't have made much difference I guess.

Same era drivers also said how much faster they could corner when radial tyres started becoming common.

**Kickaha** · 2nd December 2014, 05:16

Originally Posted by haydes55

If just a third of cops gave out tickets for the most basic shit that drivers HAVE to do, I bet the crashes would reduce ten fold.

How do you know that they aren't?

**scumdog** · 2nd December 2014, 05:37

CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE
I challenge every person who gets a speeding ticket under the zero tolerance regime to fight it.
Here's what you do.
When pulled up.
1. Ask to see the officer's certificate indicating he/she is trained to operate radar speed detection equipment.
2. Ask to see all certificates relating to the unit itself and check that all serial numbers are correct.
3. Ask to see the day's test results that should have been done before the officer went on patrol.
If all of those things are in order take the matter to court.
— Ask for proof that the radar units are capable of recording zero tolerance speeds. I believe they are plus/minus 2 or 3 percent.
— Ask how zero tolerance can be enforced when speedometers in cars in NZ are only required to be accurate to within plus/minus 10 percent under the Australian Design Rules (ADRs) that this country has adopted.
Of course, it's futile if you are 15 or 20km.h over the limit, but if there's a shadow of doubt — challenge it in court.

Re the above: Alan Dick's a dick if he thinks the cop is going to show them 1.2.&3. at the side of the road (I certainly wouldn't) - as with all the rest he would get it before he went to Court, it's called disclosure.

I'm not faffing around showing every moaning wally that paperwork at the roadside - a fair few wouldn't know what they were looking at from my experience, it might as well be Dunkin'Donuts menu for all the sense it would make to them!

**unstuck** · 2nd December 2014, 05:40

Originally Posted by scumdog

CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE
I challenge every person who gets a speeding ticket under the zero tolerance regime to fight it.
Here's what you do.
When pulled up.
1. Ask to see the officer's certificate indicating he/she is trained to operate radar speed detection equipment.
2. Ask to see all certificates relating to the unit itself and check that all serial numbers are correct.
3. Ask to see the day's test results that should have been done before the officer went on patrol.
If all of those things are in order take the matter to court.
— Ask for proof that the radar units are capable of recording zero tolerance speeds. I believe they are plus/minus 2 or 3 percent.
— Ask how zero tolerance can be enforced when speedometers in cars in NZ are only required to be accurate to within plus/minus 10 percent under the Australian Design Rules (ADRs) that this country has adopted.
Of course, it's futile if you are 15 or 20km.h over the limit, but if there's a shadow of doubt — challenge it in court.

Re the above: Alan Dick's a dick if he thinks the cop is going to show them 1.2.&3. at the side of the road (I certainly wouldn't) - as with all the rest he would get it before he went to Court.

We're not faffing around showing every moaning wally that paperwork at the roadside - most wouldn't know what they were looking at, it might as well be Dunkin'Donuts menu for all the sense it would make to them!

Fuck that, you fuckers would tazer me.

**nzspokes** · 2nd December 2014, 05:44

Originally Posted by Kickaha

How do you know that they aren't?

Go for a drive in any city you like and you can see they dont. Go for a drive/ride on a motorway.

I know of people that just dont bother with regos and wofs because you never see cops these days.

**Kickaha** · 2nd December 2014, 05:46

Originally Posted by nzspokes

Go for a drive in any city you like and you can see they dont. Go for a drive/ride on a motorway. .

So you know exactly what a person pulled over at the side of the road has been stopped for at a glance?

**nzspokes** · 2nd December 2014, 05:50

Originally Posted by Kickaha

So you know exactly what a person pulled over at the side of the road has been stopped for at a glance?

Ive not seen any vehicle pulled over by a police officer in the 5 years I have been commuting to work.

I have seen speed camera vans many times.

**scumdog** · 2nd December 2014, 05:55

Originally Posted by nzspokes

Ive not seen any vehicle pulled over by a police officer in the 5 years I have been commuting to work.

I have seen speed camera vans many times.

So, how many speeding tickets have YOU received in the last 5 years?

(Oh, and 'not seen' does not always mean 'not there'

)

**Akzle** · 2nd December 2014, 05:55

Originally Posted by Kickaha

How do you know that they aren't?

because crashes havent reduced tenfold.
Also. Women are still allowed to drive.

**nzspokes** · 2nd December 2014, 06:02

Originally Posted by scumdog

So, how many speeding tickets have YOU received in the last 5 years?

(Oh, and 'not seen' does not always mean 'not there'

)

0.

Only speeding tickets I have had were one in a customers car that did not have a speedo and my guess was wrong and 2 camera tickets from 10 years ago.

To be clear I have no issue with police. At all. Just be nice if they had a presence on the motorway network policing basic road rules. You know, like indicating and not pulling into a lane without looking where Im riding my motorcycle. Just stuff like that.

One thing I have noticed though, the van with the cameras on the roof that reads number plates. It always seems to be in close proximity to a bakery.

**rastuscat** · 2nd December 2014, 06:04

Originally Posted by nzspokes

0.

Only speeding tickets I have had were one in a customers car that did not .

One thing I have noticed though, the van with the cameras on the roof that reads number plates. It always seems to be in close proximity to a bakery.

Dammit, donut shops are selling sundry bakery items are they?