Police getting tougher on speed tolerance

[scumdog]

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No introduction of devices like ABS, anti-roll bars, side intrusion bars, stability control, traction control, improved seatbelts, airbags, improved crumple zones, WRB etc
These have been clearly shown to help reduce road fatalities, the speed scam (and HW patrol) has not!

Sure they help but but the speed scam as you call it will have some effect too...

And 'clearly shown to help'? - is there figures you can quote?
Likewise 'the speed scam (and HW patrol) has not' - figures to support that?

(And a shame driver skills haven't kept up with the above technology)

[roogazza]

Quite a lot seems to have changed/achieved as regard speeds in the last 15 or so years? (when HP was invented ?)
I returmed from years living Australia late 97 and was amazed at the speed of general traffic around Wgton. People I thought,seemed to be travelling at about 120ks ?
Fifteen or so years on we have them doing 90/95kph ? It's quite noticeable.
(Trying to use cruise control is hopeless, unless you strike an empty road.) But thats just poor drivers that can't maintain road speed.
Road deaths don't seem to have changed much ??
Though I don't expect it to, as long as humans are involved.

[Scuba_Steve]

Sure they help but but the speed scam as you call it will have some effect too...

And 'clearly shown to help'? - is there figures you can quote?
Likewise 'the speed scam (and HW patrol) has not' - figures to support that?

(And a shame driver skills haven't kept up with the above technology)

The only effect the speed scam seems to have is an adverse one in both road safety & the wider community

I believe you can find both figures on the NZTA site

And yes it is a shame, as the roads/vehicles get better the drivers get worse... That's what happens when people don't have to think for themselves, maybee Councils & the NZTA should stop doing it for them driving skill would increase significantly then

[rastuscat]

No introduction of devices like ABS, anti-roll bars, side intrusion bars, stability control, traction control, improved seatbelts, airbags, improved crumple zones, WRB etc
These have been clearly shown to help reduce road fatalities, the speed scam (and HW patrol) has not!

So over the two year period that the major decline happened in, the entire vehicle fleet improved by so much it was the main cause for the decline?

Car improvements have made a massive difference over the long term, but it's a very slow process. Getting people to trash their car because it doesn't have traction control just doesn't happen overnight.

[bogan]

So over the two year period that the major decline happened in, the entire vehicle fleet improved by so much it was the main cause for the decline?

Car improvements have made a massive difference over the long term, but it's a very slow process. Getting people to trash their car because it doesn't have traction control just doesn't happen overnight.

What was the major decline, and was it normalised by kms travelled? And what is the standard decline due to better cars/roads?

[caspernz]

Get up it and get past and nowdays more than ever have your eyes peeled.
I ain't hanging out to dry worrying about the speedo .
My Radar detector (safety device) helps too.
But hey, you get nabbed, you pay the fee.

Same approach here, including the radar detector safety device for the overtaking moves.

[caspernz]

My thinking is that being patient and waiting for a better overtaking opportunity is sometimes easier to live with than a loss of licence too.

That's patented trucker logic.

[Akzle]

Getting people to trash their car because it doesn't have traction control just doesn't happen overnight.

depending on my mode of transport, traction is controlled by my right wrist (or thumb), or my right ankle, and my steering input.

if i wanted a computer to second guess me i'd buy an iFaggotry device and set it to 'argue'.

of course, i'm that rare breed of motherfucker that pays attention when piloting a 2 tonne weapon.

[R650R]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/6384...s-not-accepted

Good thing the police are not the courts as the precendent has already been established there that GPS is gold standard undisputable evidence for speed. However it has to be a system that records it in a file somewhere/tracking etc.
Not this nonsense of I said it was reading such and suach on date x, numptie drivers....
Its a pity the police didn't say it like this as they've just trashed the reputation of evidence they have already prosecuted people with....

[rastuscat]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/news...y-cost-drivers

Everyone exceeds 50? Not according to the article above.

[bogan]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/6384...s-not-accepted

Good thing the police are not the courts as the precendent has already been established there that GPS is gold standard undisputable evidence for speed. However it has to be a system that records it in a file somewhere/tracking etc.
Not this nonsense of I said it was reading such and suach on date x, numptie drivers....
Its a pity the police didn't say it like this as they've just trashed the reputation of evidence they have already prosecuted people with....

What sort of GPS are you talking about though? If you refer to the one in my phone then that is bullshit.

[awayatc]

Wow....... cop logic at its best....
they checked how many vehicles??......
30.....
and how many of those 30 had a radar detector .....?

like so many points traffic popolice is making....
Manufactured and self serving.

[scumdog]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/news...y-cost-drivers

Everyone exceeds 50? Not according to the article above.

Vaughan said he disagreed with police being able to ticket drivers who were travelling as low as 1kmh over the limit


Spare me days, who the hell has been pulled over by a cop and ticketed for doing 1kph over the speed limit?????

People who worry about that sort of triviality worry me....

[unstuck]

People who worry about that sort of triviality worry me....

Why? They are all on here and not out on the roads.

[Gremlin]

Car improvements have made a massive difference over the long term, but it's a very slow process. Getting people to trash their car because it doesn't have traction control just doesn't happen overnight.

Not to mention you can still buy new reasonably expensive vehicles with no traction control. Hiace springs to mind as I've just collected a 2008 one (and typing this in Christchurch).