Rule change submissions close 1 March 2016 - be in to win.

[TALLIS]

Well I got close to Nathaniel in the second race on the weekend , but his pace down the straight is just abit to much for me. Will do some tinkering before the gp an give it another go, was only .2 off his fastest lap in the second race an 1.5 seconds at end of race So better than I thought I'd do.

Mate, bloody hell. When comparing Apple's with Apple's your in a league of your own.

[kel]

Well I got close but his pace down the straight is just abit to much for me.

That would be those bolt up go fast bits

[BelindaS]

Hi. Guy's

Posted this in "Where do you want to see bucket racing go in the next 10 years?"
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...post1130953175

Tell us a little about your self and how you got involved in the sport (friends, seen at a car park etc , type of bike you like ( 2 or 4 stroke ) and why , what keeps you in the sport , and what would pee you of if rules changed , do you like bulding your own bike .frame ,engine etc , or just the riding . i may add more to this later , will post my thoughts later . thanks

Hi Mr Bucketracer

New to the "sport" of Bucket racing. And I was excited to get involved in buckets. But I have grave reservation as to weather to get into the sport now or not. As should anyone else who is thinking about getting involved.

I don't like what I have been hearing and have witnessed as well, which I think is very sad, as I considered buckets as a steeping stone to other fields of motorbike racing. (Well I mean road / track racing.)

My background in motor bikes has been more from a farming background. My riding started with a DS80, but mostly Honda XL's and XR's of different sizes. I have also ridden a verity of road bikes as well.

"what keeps you in the sport'
Certainly not the shenanigans that has been going on at the moment. Which has affected my family and friends as well. I am seriously considering as to why to get involved at all!!

"and what would pee you of if rules changed"
Well I'm sorry to inform you, the rules have changed!! Mid season!! With no consultation or discussions with competitors within the bucket community.
To me. How this came about is pure bullying at its worst! Which at the moment it looks as though it is supported by MNZ

You may ask what am I referring to. Well it's this message left on my friends answer phone
by Brian Steffensen My friend dose not know who he is and Brian Steffensen did not leave a contact number to discuses the issue.


("Just letting you know that to reduce any further confusion we have added a new supplementary
regulation to all of our events going forward and that is.
Pit bikes such as but not limited to Forza Thumpster and Pitsta Pro are not eligible.
And the final discussion as to what does and doesn't constitute a pit bike is at the discretion of the steward of the meeting and the machine examiner.")

What alarms me the most, as it should you, is the finale sentence.

So basically, it doesn't matter if your bike complies with the rules. If they don't like you because you are Male,Female,Black or White, Guy or Straight. They can exclude you by simply referring to your bike as a pit bike and you do not have any recourse what so ever.

Cheers
Belinda

[TZ350]

Hi Belinda, actually the rules have not changed midseason, clarified possibly but not changed. Pit bikes have always been excluded by their oversized capacity and the non competition rule, they by definition are not eligible now or have ever been eligible for F4 or F5, but some people like them and a few would like to race them.

I see you are from Auckland, Bucket racing at Mt Wellington has always tried to accommodate pit bikes one way or another in a common sense sort of way. The AMCC Bucket racing organisers have bent over backwards to accommodate pitbikes. Controversially letting them race in F4 and as numbers grew offering to run their own class if they could field six or more, they did the same for scooters.

From what I have seen there recently most pitbike riders have graduated to Bucket legal bikes but a die hard pitster having been allowed to ride is now behaving as if it is their right, well it is not. It looks like a case of give an inch and they demand a mile.

The situation has been discussed at some length by the committee and generally by the riders in the pits, I am one of those.

I understand that recently the pitsters side had been put rather forcefully to Mel a voluntary organiser (Also Brian's partner) at several meetings where she was taking the entries. I guess the pitsters have pushed their point far enough that there was no more room for compromise, common sense and good will so a definitive decision and a clear statement had to be made.

If this is upsetting you and your family you may need to look at what part they have played.

But as it is, pitsters are not an eligible bike so are not going to be allowed to run in F4 or F5.

Because the organisers have spoken about it at riders briefings on a number of occasions. I understand that if you can field six or more the organisers were open to running a class specifically for you and the other riders are happy to give up some of their track time, or at least that was the way it was.

Now how much fairer than that did you want it to be????

[BelindaS]

Hi TZ350

Thank you for your reply.

And I truly appreciate that you are taking the time to explaining this to me.

OK so the Honda RS 125 ( a competition Bike) rolling chassis fitted with Brembos and Ohlins is legal, But the pit bike rolling chassis is illegal.

Or have I miss understood that.

So what I am getting at is if my friend or I installs a FXR150 motor 4t or a Derbi 2t into the chassis. Then would it comply or is it still illegal?

As I thought frames and suspension where free.

Cheers B

[TZ350]

Hi TZ350 Thank you for your reply. And I truly appreciate that you are taking the time to explaining this to me.

OK so the Honda RS 125 ( a competition Bike) rolling chassis fitted with Brembos and Ohlins is legal, But the pit bike rolling chassis is illegal.

Hi, if you care to post a copy of the F4 Bucket rules, you will find them on the MNZ site, chapter 16. I will be happy to go through them with you.

[husaberg]

Hi, if you care to post a copy of the F4 Bucket rules, you will find them on the MNZ site, chapter 16. I will be happy to go through them with you.

10.9.1 Handlebars must not be of greater width than 92cm and must have the ends securely capped or plugged. All handlebars on off road motorcycles must be plugged.

It would have to comply with this.
In street racing super motards were banned from racing with F3 etc, as the racing lines were deemed to be vastly different. (plus big $$$$ F3 f2 and F1 bikes were getting there asses kicked my lightly moded chook chasers)

Off the AMC page rather than the MNZ regs
http://amcc-dev.org.nz/index.php/menu-bucketracing.html

Bucket racing rules

The rules that govern what types of bikes can be used for bucket racing and how bucket race meetings must be run are set out by MNZ (Motorcycling New Zealand) among the rules that govern all motorcycle racing in New Zealand. These rules can be found on the MNZ website. Below is some general information and some useful links to the rules that relate to bucket racing.

To be eligible for bucket racing a motorcycle must have an engine that is derived from a road-legal motorcycle. Engines from motocross bikes, enduro bikes, road-race bikes and pitbikes are not eligible.

[TZ350]

OK so the Honda RS 125 ( a competition Bike) rolling chassis fitted with Brembos and Ohlins is legal, But the pit bike rolling chassis is illegal.

Or have I missunderstood that.

Cheers B

Yes, I think so, as any motorcycle rolling chassis would be legal if it meets the general road racing machine technical and safety regulations.

Thanks Husa. ""Bucket racing rules .... To be eligible for bucket racing a motorcycle must have an engine that is derived from a road-legal motorcycle. Engines from motocross bikes, enduro bikes, road-race bikes and pitbikes are not eligible.""

Ok B, you asked, the reg's are all about the engine, so what does this tell us.​

[BelindaS]

Thanks Husa.

""Bucket racing rules .... To be eligible for bucket racing a motorcycle must have an engine that is derived from a road-legal motorcycle. Engines from motocross bikes, enduro bikes, road-race bikes and pitbikes are not eligible.""

Ok Belinda, so what does this tell us.​

Hi TZ350
From reading the above rule,the frame is not allowed as well. And by using the generic term "pit bike" they have excluded all Chinese bikes.
I accept that.
Cheers for your help
B

[husaberg]

Hi TZ350
From reading the above rule,the frame is not allowed as well. And by using the generic term "pit bike" they have excluded all Chinese bikes.
I accept that.
Cheers for your help
B

I don't agree with you about the frame, by all intents the frame design is open.

Bucket racing rules .... To be eligible for bucket racing a motorcycle must have an engine that is derived from a road-legal motorcycle. Engines from motocross bikes, enduro bikes, road-race bikes and pitbikes are not eligible.""

[TZ350]

""Bucket racing rules .... Engines from motocross bikes, enduro bikes, road-race bikes and pitbikes are not eligible.""

Hi TZ350 From reading the above rule,the frame is not allowed as well.I accept that. Cheers for your help. B

I was pretty sure it was only the engine they were talking about but I can see what you mean.

Maybe you are right, ..... pitbikes are totally out, well there you have it I guess. In your own words, pitbikes are not legal for Buckets, so it looks like there is no class for road racing pit bikes currently.

So if you are keen, maybe you could start a club, draw up some rules, affiliate with MNZ, get some friends qualified up as stewards, find some volunteer helpers, a venue and run your own meetings. If you can get the mini bike and scooter guys on board too that would be great.

F4 & F5 (the Bucket people) have done it so everyone knows it is a bit of work, but it could be quite good for you to have your own officially recognised class and control over how your own rules are worded and how you run your own race meetings.

Just depends on how much you want to race pitbikes I guess.

[Yow Ling]

Belinda, Have you purchased a bike yet, is it a pit bike or are you open to the more mainstream bucket style bike.

Can I ask why the pitbike style is so important to you when there are many other options available and competitive right out of the box in the class.

It does appear that you are relitigating an old chestnut here, if you are a member of a club you could have requested a rulechange and have your club submit it, but that deadline has now passed, so maybe next year.

[jasonu]

Hi. Guy's

Posted this in "Where do you want to see bucket racing go in the next 10 years?"
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...post1130953175





Hi Mr Bucketracer

New to the "sport" of Bucket racing. And I was excited to get involved in buckets. But I have grave reservation as to weather to get into the sport now or not. As should anyone else who is thinking about getting involved.

I don't like what I have been hearing and have witnessed as well, which I think is very sad, as I considered buckets as a steeping stone to other fields of motorbike racing. (Well I mean road / track racing.)

My background in motor bikes has been more from a farming background. My riding started with a DS80, but mostly Honda XL's and XR's of different sizes. I have also ridden a verity of road bikes as well.

"what keeps you in the sport'
Certainly not the shenanigans that has been going on at the moment. Which has affected my family and friends as well. I am seriously considering as to why to get involved at all!!

"and what would pee you of if rules changed"
Well I'm sorry to inform you, the rules have changed!! Mid season!! With no consultation or discussions with competitors within the bucket community.
To me. How this came about is pure bullying at its worst! Which at the moment it looks as though it is supported by MNZ

You may ask what am I referring to. Well it's this message left on my friends answer phone
by Brian Steffensen My friend dose not know who he is and Brian Steffensen did not leave a contact number to discuses the issue.


("Just letting you know that to reduce any further confusion we have added a new supplementary
regulation to all of our events going forward and that is.
Pit bikes such as but not limited to Forza Thumpster and Pitsta Pro are not eligible.
And the final discussion as to what does and doesn't constitute a pit bike is at the discretion of the steward of the meeting and the machine examiner.")

What alarms me the most, as it should you, is the finale sentence.

So basically, it doesn't matter if your bike complies with the rules. If they don't like you because you are Male,Female,Black or White, Guy or Straight. They can exclude you by simply referring to your bike as a pit bike and you do not have any recourse what so ever.

Cheers
Belinda

Are you or are you related to that wanker that started imported those fucking forza pit bikes then tried to sell more of them by attempting to get them Bucket legal eventhough they do not fit the Bucket class rules? How about take your fucking forzas and start your own series somewhere else and basically fuck off.

[jasonu]

Hi TZ350

Thank you for your reply.

And I truly appreciate that you are taking the time to explaining this to me.

OK so the Honda RS 125 ( a competition Bike) rolling chassis fitted with Brembos and Ohlins is legal, But the pit bike rolling chassis is illegal.

Or have I miss understood that.

So what I am getting at is if my friend or I installs a FXR150 motor 4t or a Derbi 2t into the chassis. Then would it comply or is it still illegal?

As I thought frames and suspension where free.

Cheers B

Hi TZ350
From reading the above rule,the frame is not allowed as well. And by using the generic term "pit bike" they have excluded all Chinese bikes.
I accept that.
Cheers for your help
B

Are you trolling or are you really that stupid?

[husaberg]

Okay guys what am I missing? I read it as pitbike engines are not allowed.

Bucket racing rules .... To be eligible for bucket racing a motorcycle must have an engine that is derived from a road-legal motorcycle. Engines from motocross bikes, enduro bikes, road-race bikes and pitbikes are not eligible.""