My first poll for the NZ public

**TheDemonLord** · 20th July 2016, 18:05

Originally Posted by mashman

Meritocracy. A game of division for children. "Look at me, look at me, I'm much more awesome than someone else coz my thing is nicer than theirs and my mates say so, so cough up, give me more than them"

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You son, are a child.

So next time you need say an 8mm spanner, a hammer will do just as fine.

**Ocean1** · 20th July 2016, 18:08

Originally Posted by mashman

Meritocracy. A game of division for children. "Look at me, look at me, I'm much more awesome than someone else coz my thing is nicer than theirs and my mates say so, so cough up, give me more than them"

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You son, are a child.

No, I have whatever I do because people freely paid me what they thought my services were worth.

Just like everyone else.

And while I can grow up whenever I like, you will always be a fuckwit.

**mashman** · 20th July 2016, 18:32

Originally Posted by Ocean1

No, I have whatever I do because people freely paid me what they thought my services were worth.

Just like everyone else.

And while I can grow up whenever I like, you will always be a fuckwit.

Yeah, I get how far you're willing to go in regards to your analysis of how you believe economics works.

I'm sure you can, and I'll endeavour to continue to be my brand of fuckwit wherever I go

**Ocean1** · 20th July 2016, 19:01

Originally Posted by mashman

Yeah, I get how far you're willing to go in regards to your analysis of how you believe economics works.

I'm sure you can, and I'll endeavour to continue to be my brand of fuckwit wherever I go

That's neither analysis or belief, that's fact. You can see it working yourself: non-fuckwits everywhere, thriving by the simple expediency of doing something someone else wants done. You've possibly even been involved yourself in some minor way, accidentally like.

Only, that can't possibly be right, can it? It completely fucks up your cargo cult theory, dunnit?

So you go right ahead and insist that money is pulled out of a fairy banker's arse, nothing to do with value bought and sold, I'm sure the firm belief that you're worth as much as the next man is terribly therapeutic.

**Brian d marge** · 20th July 2016, 19:22

Originally Posted by Ocean1

That's neither analysis or belief, that's fact. You can see it working yourself: non-fuckwits everywhere, thriving by the simple expediency of doing something someone else wants done. You've possibly even been involved yourself in some minor way, accidentally like.

Only, that can't possibly be right, can it? It completely fucks up your cargo cult theory, dunnit?

So you go right ahead and insist that money is pulled out of a fairy banker's arse, nothing to do with value bought and sold, I'm sure the firm belief that you're worth as much as the next man is terribly therapeutic.

Far canal ..... you've just bought a majority stake in the anglo-bengalee Disinterested loan and life assurance company

And here is my contribution towards your sterling efforts for the good of mankind

sent for a divine source

**mashman** · 20th July 2016, 19:30

Originally Posted by Ocean1

That's neither analysis or belief, that's fact. You can see it working yourself: non-fuckwits everywhere, thriving by the simple expediency of doing something someone else wants done. You've possibly even been involved yourself in some minor way, accidentally like.

Only, that can't possibly be right, can it? It completely fucks up your cargo cult theory, dunnit?

So you go right ahead and insist that money is pulled out of a fairy banker's arse, nothing to do with value bought and sold, I'm sure the firm belief that you're worth as much as the next man is terribly therapeutic.

I see it working in a way that resembles what you're talking about. Yup. Whew. I have indeed bumped into it all accidental like too. There's other stuff too, but hey.

Not even remotely. I'm not claiming to know what everyone thinks. I'm curious to find out what they think though... and it barely resembles what you're talking about. But yeah, they're just really angry people.

Well it certainly doesn't grow on trees and doesn't exist outside of human beings, and it's created by bankers, and I'm sure there's a couple of bankers who are fairy's, although using gay instead of fairy might have shown a little more class. Not therapeutic really, as I have no meritocratic need to fill.

**Ocean1** · 20th July 2016, 19:42

Originally Posted by Brian d marge

Far canal ..... you've just bought a majority stake in the anglo-bengalee Disinterested loan and life assurance company

And here is my contribution towards your sterling efforts for the good of mankind

sent for a divine source

No thanks dude, you've got nothing I want.

You've got nothing anyone wants.

You've got nothing.

Now go run around in some more wee circles, eh? the sky will be falling shortly.

**Brian d marge** · 20th July 2016, 19:58

Originally Posted by Ocean1

No thanks dude, you've got nothing I want.

You've got nothing anyone wants.

You've got nothing.

Now go run around in some more wee circles, eh? the sky will be falling shortly.

A clue

You might find them useful

sent for a divine source

**bogan** · 21st July 2016, 01:16

Originally Posted by mashman

So we didn't actually talk about it? You read what I'd typed and decided..... Lervely.

Type about it then. But to be fair, when you hypothetically threaten to murder me for my shoes or my beers, doesn't really make a good case for talking about it in person.

There was a little more back and forth discourse as well, you tried to discuss it, your logic was found severely lacking, and you've been in full head-in-sand mode ever since. It was something about the conflict between resource ownership and usership you didn't quite have set out... which is kind of a glaring hole to be having in a resource allocation system

**mashman** · 21st July 2016, 09:11

Originally Posted by bogan

Type about it then. But to be fair, when you hypothetically threaten to murder me for my shoes or my beers, doesn't really make a good case for talking about it in person.

There was a little more back and forth discourse as well, you tried to discuss it, your logic was found severely lacking, and you've been in full head-in-sand mode ever since. It was something about the conflict between resource ownership and usership you didn't quite have set out... which is kind of a glaring hole to be having in a resource allocation system

bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. Like I said... your discernment/understanding is non-existent.

**bogan** · 21st July 2016, 09:17

Originally Posted by mashman

bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. Like I said... your discernment/understanding is non-existent.

Thanks for proving my point. The point being (since I beleive in explaining things, and understanding things) that you now refuse to discuss your idea of an 'rbe' because it is so flawed you're scared of those flaws coming to light. Face it mashy, we both know there's no barrier to your system except your own inability to effectively contribute to it. That's why you're not being the change you wish to see, that's why you have to talk all this bullshit to try and get others to do the hard work for you. That's why you're just another politician.

**mashman** · 21st July 2016, 09:32

Originally Posted by bogan

Thanks for proving my point. The point being (since I beleive in explaining things, and understanding things) that you now refuse to discuss your idea of an 'rbe' because it is so flawed you're scared of those flaws coming to light. Face it mashy, we both know there's no barrier to your system except your own inability to effectively contribute to it. That's why you're not being the change you wish to see, that's why you have to talk all this bullshit to try and get others to do the hard work for you. That's why you're just another politician.

I refuse to discuss much further with you. Shame you can't figure that out... but hey, I ain't surprised that you can't given that you can't even take responsibility for your own lack of understanding. But by all means keep on blaming the guy who has explained it successfully to close to 100 people by NOW. They get it. You don't. That evidence alone would have my rethinking my position... but not the great bogan, he knows what you're thinking better than you do and you better just accept it coz he says so

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I sincerely wish you the best of luck on your journey towards understanding RBE.

**bogan** · 21st July 2016, 09:40

Originally Posted by mashman

I refuse to discuss much further with you. Shame you can't figure that out... but hey, I ain't surprised that you can't given that you can't even take responsibility for your own lack of understanding. But by all means keep on blaming the guy who has explained it successfully to close to 100 people by NOW. They get it. You don't. That evidence alone would have my rethinking my position... but not the great bogan, he knows what you're thinking better than you do and you better just accept it coz he says so

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I sincerely wish you the best of luck on your journey towards understanding RBE.

I've not only figured that out, I've been explaining why that is too.

I do not lack understanding, so what responsibility is there to take?

You've explained it to me and I understood as well, the difference is I disagree an provide logical reasons why it will not work; that is why you must come up with this "he doesn't understand" cop-out to maintain your self-delusion.

I'm not saying just accept it, I'm saying just discuss it. Simple points like Ownership vs Usership, that should be a one sentence summary; yet you spend 100x that avoiding it... Like I said, just another useless politican (they 'explain' things to millions btw).

**mashman** · 21st July 2016, 09:57

Originally Posted by bogan

I've not only figured that out, I've been explaining why that is too.

I do not lack understanding, so what responsibility is there to take?

You've explained it to me and I understood as well, the difference is I disagree an provide logical reasons why it will not work; that is why you must come up with this "he doesn't understand" cop-out to maintain your self-delusion.

I'm not saying just accept it, I'm saying just discuss it. Simple points like Ownership vs Usership, that should be a one sentence summary; yet you spend 100x that avoiding it... Like I said, just another useless politican (they 'explain' things to millions btw).

Yet you still blame me for your lack of understanding despite the fact that the vast majority of people I've spoken with understand exactly what I mean. All fact baby.

Like I said, good luck.

**bogan** · 21st July 2016, 09:59

Originally Posted by mashman

Yet you still blame me for your lack of understanding despite the fact that the vast majority of people I've spoken with understand exactly what I mean. All fact baby.

Like I said, good luck.

Why do you keep asserting that I do not understand?