The American (USA) 2016 presidential elections thread?

[Brian d marge]

How about you look at this and tell us how badly income inequality is deteriorating.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/i...PN+NLD+NZL+GBR

And then maybe you can tell us why the fuck everyone should "earn" the same income.

Reasons to be cheerful part 3

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...post1130930233

From the big book of facts xmas edition 1980 ,,,,

[bogan]

There's that and then there's sitting there picking holes in something because you disagree with the result.

So at just what point will you notice the fire?

[jasonu]

So at just what point will you notice the fire?

I would have voted Obama in 2008 (resident aliens don't get to vote) but voted against him in 2012 so I guess 4 years...

[bogan]

I would have voted Obama in 2008 (resident aliens don't get to vote) but voted against him in 2012 so I guess 4 years...

You think Obama was bad for US? What criteria is that based on?

[Katman]

You think Obama was bad for US? What criteria is that based on?

What he didn't do for the American people is probably dwarfed by what he did against people of other countries.

[mashman]

[Hemi Makutu]

Reasons to be cheerful part 3

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...post1130930233

From the big book of facts xmas edition 1980 ,,,,

Well dug out B'd-man..


& O'l Salty's tattered credibility - takes another booming broadside - straight into the already soft underbelly...

[Ocean1]

Reasons to be cheerful part 3

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...post1130930233

From the big book of facts xmas edition 1980 ,,,,

Dude, that's not a graph, let alone the same one.

[Hemi Makutu]

Dude, that's not a graph, let alone the same one.

& despite your cherry picked graph, that site holds others - which blow your fanciful contentions out of the water..

[Brian d marge]

Dude, that's not a graph, let alone the same one.

its the site that you get all your facts from , that and stuff,co,nz .....and as I have posted before , that site is like the farmers reporting on the state of the turkeys after xmas

[Ocean1]

Which is beside the point, since being personally productive has not been shown to be linked to making good societal decisions. The theory that there is a link is sound, but not shown; and if you, as a productive member of society suggest making such a societal decision based on only a plausible theory and personal experience; I would suggest it goes towards disproving that theory

I wouldn't think it does either. Perhaps capitalist was too ambiguous a term, but it goes to the above point, do people who are good at obtaining personal wealth, have a skewed view on the more 'socialist' aspects of society, healthcare, education, conservation, welfare, etc.

If level of commitment is a factor, then why a flat rate? Why not a sliding scale based on income? But more importantly, why does conviction and commitment make a person a better voter?

I think such a link could be established with more of a middle ground, start with simply removing the right to vote from criminals and long term unemployment beneficiaries. The rest of society understands that link already.

How is it beside the point to point out that the cost of social spending can only be met by productive members of society?

Is it significant that there isn't a question mark, there? And yes, I think that people who are good at obtaining personal wealth have their views on "socialist" aspects of society skewed by the fact that it's their taxes that pay for them, and often their incomes that deny them the resulting benefits. And I'd say that makes for a perfectly relevant experience requirement for social spending policy decisions.

Maybe it's not a factor in selection of a best policy set for prosperity. There's certainly no shortage of violently committed socialist fuckwits underfoot, and there's no chance whatsoever of them ever supplying anything vaguely resembling prosperity.

Don't forget the laywers and artificial inseminaters.

[Ocean1]

its the site that you get all your facts from , that and stuff,co,nz .....and as I have posted before , that site is like the farmers reporting on the state of the turkeys after xmas

It's a fucking brilliant site, the single most convenient place to get well presented data. If you don't like it then go to the source and show where the numbers are incorrect.

If you can't do that but still don't like it then feel free to post more unsubstantiated drivel, nobody will notice the difference. Probably.

[Hemi Makutu]

"Privatisation profits " & dodging tax is "Productive" with a capital P? What a joker..

[oldrider]

Interesting little article on Russian sea power?: http://beforeitsnews.com/military/20...ampaign=buffer

Note the little reference to what Russian presence off Syria is really a threat to!

[pritch]

You are acting just like the USA (and others) media. Sitting there just waiting for something that suits your angle/stance/slant to point out, laugh at, ridicule....
Maybe Trump will be a disaster, maybe not. It is still a bit early to tell.

That photograph was worthy of ridicule, the guy is amateurish but still he is the head of Homeland Security. The sort of guy who might have "password" for his password.

I saw a comment today that the words "not technically illegal" are likely to become very familiar.