The firearm thread

[husaberg]

'must spread rep'

Maybe you should write 51 letters to the families of the victims spelling out how a few peoples right to play bang bang outwesight the rights of those killed in the recent attack then.
i would wager there are more people killed in NZ every year with a firearm, then there were ever registered Sport shooters useing ar15's and similar for any form of organised sport.
if you disagree, i am sure you will be easily able to prove just how popular this sport was in NZ.

[scumdog]

Maybe you should write 51 letters to the families of the victims spelling out how a few peoples right to play bang bang outwesight the rights of those killed in the recent attack then.
i would wager there are more people killed in NZ every year with a firearm, then there were ever registered Sport shooters useing ar15's and similar for any form of organised sport.
if you disagree, i am sure you will be easily able to prove just how popular this sport was in NZ.

Are you drunk or typing in a punctuation-free wind-tunnel???

And ME write to the families?

I owe them nothing, not my monkey, not my circus, you should approach Tarrant with a similar suggestion, I'm sure it would be well received..

Throwing a guilt trip at me won't work, I've done nothing wrong, nothing illegal.

[husaberg]

Are you drunk or typing in a punctuation-free wind-tunnel???

And ME write to the families?

I owe them nothing, not my monkey, not my circus, you should approach the chch fuckwit with a similar suggestion, I'm sure it would be well received..

Throwing a guilt trip at me won't work, I've done nothing wrong, nothing illegal.

Who is trying to guilt trip who here
All i are hearing out of the firearm side.....
Is poor me.....
I miss this i miss that....
Its not the guns fault.......
I dont get to do this.........
I dont get to do that.........
Gun control doesnt work........
its all the goverments fault........
I want more compensation than fair market value..........
Its gong to cost to much to do..........
What about a .000001 % of sport shooters..........
What about the .000000001% that have a legitimate use of assault riffles in NZ.......
The funniest is its not what the majority of people want when its very clearly what the majority of the people in NZ want.
the CHCh shooter is the poster boy of what happened under the old rules, he was a legal gun owners right up until he slipped in the os mag and pulled the triger killin 5o peope in a few mnutes, just as was the Aromonana shooter before him.
Grow up, move on, your rights to play bang bang, do not override the right of others not to be killed by a homicidal manic with a rifle, no one needed, that was only IMPORTED, modified to get around a poorly drafted law that the gun lobby lobbied with great zeaL TO AVOID CLOSING.

Nothing has changed with the gun sides 7 months on moaning its all poor, me poor me.

Here we are weeks later still we have people moaning like little bitch's about losing access to owning a gun they never even needed in the first place.
Its well past the time you should have figured out why its a stand NZ as a whole is taking.
No different than our stand condemning the French terrorists who bombed the Rainbow Warrior or the Nuclear free zone we made in and around New Zealand.

The change in NZ law is about lives, not money or some pathetic weapon you want to have for pose value or fun.
NZ doesn't have a right to bear arms in its constitution. Nor do you need a semi auto Military style assault rifle, you mealy want one.
People in NZ can still continue own a firearm as a privilege, to hunt with, as a hobby or sport or collecting.
But simply as a result of 50 innocent people getting killed recently in the mater of minutes by a total loser, you longer have that privilege anymore to own a military style semi Automatic anymore on a A cat licence.
Even one without a large mag or a butt-stock that's modified in the effort to get around the no pistol-grip rule.
Its over.
For those that continue on moaning. Man up and face facts. ITS OVER.

Its time you moved on and got on with life, no different than seat belt and helmet laws in NZ, its the law, You either get used to it, form a party and get the law changed or move to a different country.

[scumdog]

Who is trying to guilt trip who here
All i are hearing out of the firearm side.....
Is poor me.....
I miss this i miss that....
Its not the guns fault.......
I dont get to do this.........
I dont get to do that.........
Gun control doesnt work........
its all the goverments fault........
I want more compensation than fair market value..........
Its gong to cost to much to do..........
What about a .000001 % of sport shooters..........
What about the .000000001% that have a legitimate use of assault riffles in NZ.......
The funniest is its not what the majority of people want when its very clearly what the majority of the people in NZ want.
the CHCh shooter is the poster boy of what happened under the old rules, he was a legal gun owners right up until he slipped in the os mag and pulled the triger killin 5o peope in a few mnutes, just as was the Aromonana shooter before him.
Grow up, move on, your rights to play bang bang, do not override the right of others not to be killed by a homicidal manic with a rifle, no one needed, that was only IMPORTED, modified to get around a poorly drafted law that the gun lobby lobbied with great zeaL TO AVOID CLOSING.

Nothing has changed with the gun sides 7 months on moaning its all poor, me poor me.


Its time you moved on and got on with life, no different than seat belt and helmet laws in NZ, its the law, You either get used to it, form a party and get the law changed or move to a different country.

Nope, I'll do the KB thing and whinge.

And join COLFO, the BRONZ of gun owners I suppose they look to you.

And await some form of definitive proof ALL New Zealanders were interviewed to find out their opinion of the new gun laws with all it's obscure banning of guns least likely to be used in a massacre.

I see the idiot in Germany used home made guns, (Luckily for his intended victims), why he used them I don't know as proper guns would not be THAT hard to source there.

And why he didn't use any of his bombs we'll never know.

[husaberg]

Nope, I'll do the KB thing and whinge.

And join COLFO, the BRONZ of gun owners I suppose they look to you.

And await some form of definitive proof ALL New Zealanders were interviewed to find out their opinion of the new gun laws with all it's obscure banning of guns least likely to be used in a massacre.

I see the idiot in Germany used home made guns, (Luckily for his intended victims), why he used them I don't know as proper guns would not be THAT hard to source there.

And why he didn't use any of his bombs we'll never know.

You will wait for definitive proof all NZ were interviewed
yeah throw in a impossible unneeded task as the numbers are not on your side.
i will give you a hint if 1 in ten over 18 are gun owners even with the partner vote you re never going to get much more than 20% in your favour which i exactly what the poll with 10,000 kiwis showed

Sixty-one per cent of respondents, polled by phone, thought the changes made were "about right".
Furthermore, 19 per cent of participants believed the amended law – banning a wide range of semi-automatic weapons and parts – didn't go far enough.
1009 eligible voters were polled via landline and mobile phone. The maximum sampling error is approximately ±3.1%-points at the 95 per cent confidence level

all the MPS far one voted in it favour also in case you missed it..
The Governor general ratified it, its the law tough too bad.

[scumdog]

You will wait for definitive proof all NZ were interviewed
yeah throw in a impossible unneeded task as the numbers are not on your side.
i will give you a hint if 1 in ten over 18 are gun owners even with the partner vote you re never going to get much more than 20% in your favour which i exactly what the poll with 10,000 kiwis showed

all the MPS far one voted in it favour also in case you missed it..
The Governor general ratified it, its the law tough too bad.

All MPs bar one voted for it as the majority were too worried about the backlash if they didn't, nothing to do with their conscience/morals or anything else decent, they ARE politicians after all.


Never mind, sold my 'nasty black evil' guns, bought four new guns and banked the rest of the $$$.

Win-win!

[husaberg]

All MPs bar one voted for it as the majority were too worried about the backlash if they didn't, nothing to do with their conscience/morals or anything else decent, they ARE politicians after all.


Never mind, sold my 'nasty black evil' guns, bought four new guns and banked the rest of the $$$.

Win-win!

Yes they are politician's, thus they respond to the will of the people.
Your own words betray you there, They would be worried about the backlash if they didn't follow the will of the majority of people.
Rather than a few fringe dicks that want to play bang bang and do not care about the lives of innocent people.

Guns are not evil, just the dick heads who want to have military style assault rifles they dont need in the first place for reasons that are not justifiable to anyone but other dickheads.

[scumdog]

Yes they are politician's, thus they respond to the will of the people.
Your own words betray you there, They would be worried about the backlash if they didn't follow the will of the majority of people.
Rather than a few fringe dicks that want to play bang bang and do not care about the lives of innocent people.

Guns are not evil, just the dick heads who want to have military style assault rifles they dont need in the first place for reasons that are not justifiable to anyone but other dickheads.

Haha, your first line is the funniest thing I've read on KB for a long time!


And you seem fixated with 'military style assault rifles' (whatever they are) but ignore the plethora of other guns swept up in the hysteria laden legislation....

[husaberg]

Haha, your first line is the funniest thing I've read on KB for a long time!


And you seem fixated with 'military style assault rifles' (whatever they are) but ignore the plethora of other guns swept up in the hysteria laden legislation....

Funny as You seem fixated on moaning and arguing about a law that has already been enacted.
No amount of your continued moaning is going to change it either.
History will be the judge of the merits of the law change but if it follows the experience all the other counties that have enacted similar laws you are totally wrong.

Evidence from 130 studies in 10 countries suggests that in certain nations the simultaneous implementation of laws targeting multiple firearms restrictions is associated with reductions in firearm deaths.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26905895

[onearmedbandit]

Rather than a few fringe dicks that want to play bang bang and do not care about the lives of innocent people.

I have no skin in this game but sorry that statement sums up everything I need to know about your point of view.

[husaberg]

I have no skin in this game but sorry that statement sums up everything I need to know about your point of view.

Lets see i patiently showed again and again the facts of the mater the stats the results while a few dick's make up crap and bitch and moan about something that is what the overwhelming majority of kiwis want.

Maybe the three separate occasions Scummy attempted, to knowingly misrepresent the reason why a firearm was on the prohibited list, made me realise, that he wasn't really interested in discussing stuff with any degree of common sense.
Or maybe it was the other times he made hypocritical statements insisting it wasnt the will of the people that these changes were made.
So Yeah sorry i upset your delicate sensibilities there Fraser. But if you want to quote stuff quote the lot for context.
but its a fact that the vast majority of kiwis do not need nor have ever needed a AR15 or any other large calibre assault rifle, and no amount of bitching or moaning that they do will change that fact.

[onearmedbandit]

So Yeah sorry i upset your delicate sensibilities there fraser. But if you want to quote stuff quote the lot for context.

You assume too much. You certainly didn't 'upset my delicate sensibilities' as I have virtually none. But I do find it interesting when people resort to insults etc to support what could otherwise be a reasonable argument. Maybe I mistook your statement as meaning everyone that wants the status quo to remain as such rather than just being aimed at opponents in here you've battled. Which of course does make more sense now I think about it.

[husaberg]

You assume too much. You certainly didn't 'upset my delicate sensibilities' as I have virtually none. But I do find it interesting when people resort to insults etc to support what could otherwise be a reasonable argument. Maybe I mistook your statement as meaning everyone that wants the status quo to remain as such rather than just being aimed at opponents in here you've battled. Which of course does make more sense now I think about it.

What makes no sense Fraser is being admonished for calling someone a dickhead after they literary behaved like a dickhead for hundreds of posts including attempting to repeatidly misrepresentwhere i didn't point out they were behaving like a dickhead.
which includes not wanting to believe a poll that had a 3% margin of error because they wouldn't believe it was true unless every single Kiwi was interviewed.

[onearmedbandit]

What makes no sense Fraser is being admonished for calling someone a dickhead after they literary behaved like a dickhead for hundreds of posts including attempting to repeatidly misrepresentwhere i didn't point out they were behaving like a dickhead.

Did you read what you quoted of mine?

"...Maybe I mistook your statement as meaning everyone that wants the status quo to remain as such rather than just being aimed at opponents in here you've battled. Which of course does make more sense now I think about it."

So I was right, I did mistake what you said as being aimed at a broad group instead of a few on here. I acknowledged that was a possibility.

[husaberg]

Did you read what you quoted of mine?

"...Maybe I mistook your statement as meaning everyone that wants the status quo to remain as such rather than just being aimed at opponents in here you've battled. Which of course does make more sense now I think about it."

So I was right, I did mistake what you said as being aimed at a broad group instead of a few on here. I acknowledged that was a possibility.

Yes Fraser it was more than just a possiblity it was right that you were wrong, it is is also more than possible that its right that two wrongs dont make a right or indeed that two wrights flew the first plane.
It is also likely that the law changes made in NZ will lower the rate at which people are killed by nutters with rifles, they never needed to have in the first place.
Not that the opponents of the law change will ever acknowledge this fact.

in the original post i was calling a group of pople dickheads they were the people that claimed they needed to have Ar15 and similar weapons. When they mealy wanted them.