Jesus will strike you down for such insolence.
He only likes grabbing little boys.
Because he's a fuking paedophile.
No8 Wire Extraordinaire
Jesus will strike you down for such insolence.
He only likes grabbing little boys.
Because he's a fuking paedophile.
Don't you look at my accountant.
He's the only one I've got.
Anorak
Trump hates rapists, well he says he does.Originally Posted by F5 Dave
Trump also claimed that he "hates" anyone who commits a crime such as rape.
So isn't it odd so many have accused him of Rape including at least one of his ex-wives and E. Jean Carroll
but i guess if you only pick one small part of a story from only one source whilst steadfastly ignoring all the evidence to the contrary it often will only tell the story you want it to tell.
Such like the confirmation bias of TLDR and the other trump faithfull.
Kinky is using a feather. Perverted is using the whole chicken
The Majestic Metal Wizard
That depends upon which Time frame we are talking - If we are talking when Trump started his presidential run or subsequently - then both of those groups definitely existed.
If you want to look at the time frame of when they were exonerated.
Sure, The system is designed by humans and run by humans and is imperfect - I'll take every critique you can throw at the western justice system and toss in a few of my own and I'll still stand by this statement:Yes, I'm sure the 5 that did extensive jail time would wholeheartedly agree with your take on Justice "Working".
"For all it's flaws, it is still the best and most fair system of determining guilt and innocence that we have yet devised" The fact they were acquitted at all means in some sense the system works - in the sense it has means, mechanisms, checks and balances to redress errors.
Nope, no you won't because you never answered it - Kryptonite! Go on, give it a go mate. I'm picking the spin required for this one is going to add megawatts to the grid!There's my direct response to it. My opinion is much the same, it bears little relevance to the question being asked at the time (which was did he incite the crowd)
Who says his base is shrinking?
Suffice to say you and I differ as to Trump's actions regarding the constitution.
Your comments on the Democrats are interesting though, if I was to posit that a certain invasive Ideology was the root cause of what you describe....
My personal view is that if people are able to experience Freedom and have the means to defend it for themselves, then eventually it will win.
As to whether that can be instigated or must be allowed to grow organically - I couldn't tell you. The point I'm making however is that however much I despise the NK style of Government - talking is better than shooting.
And if you aren't an Arse Man (I've heard that such people exist - cannot confirm at this stage) - is it still a lie? is it of the same precedence and magnitude of other lies? If you accept the premise that not all lies are equal then you except the framework for my point that most of what Trump says that is termed 'lies' doesn't meet the threshold of intent/malice for what would be commonly termed a 'lie'
Well, let me know where I can buy a can or two - I'd be chuffed to have my own line of Paints.Hahaha, that has to be one of your best gloss overs yet mate - like the only lies told were exaggerations
I showed resene paints your post, they have said it has inspired them to create a new line in gloss paint called "demented lord" - nothing sticks to it!
I did spot a bit of news that will bring warmth to your stone cold heart mate - The New Zealand Communist overlords organization is imploding!
https://www.google.com/url?q=https:/...AAoVPzZiNF898A
Back to Trump - Most of what are reported as 'lies' (around 70%) are simply his manner/style of speaking. In the strictest sense (with no appreciation for context or applications of the English language) then sure, they are 'lies' but they are not in the same league as most of the whoppers spun by the typical politician.
As for the other 30% that are reported as lies, there's some selective editing in there (like omitting the clarification about referring to MS13 gang members) and other such tactics.
Interesting to read about the NZ Opera, it seems on the face of it eerily similar to what happened recently in the UK with the National Trust.
I might suggest that the average NZ Opera goer is probably well off, probably of a certain skin complexion, Probably Male, Probably Married and probably votes National.
I mean, I could reference a myried of articles from right or centre right or financial-based Papers - but seeing how the BBC is now a left biased publication, if even they had to admit the Economy under Trump was good...And he did! Yes all it took was one BBC report. I'm picking the reporter earned a lifetime membership at Trumps Scottish Golf Course for that puff piece
Speaking of things claims that Trump was lying about - what is your view that Biden is now suggesting that it may have escaped from the Wuhan research facility.According to DL Trump only made exaggerations, not outright lies
His Covid lies alone killed thousands.
I seem to remember another president making such claims and was widely and resoundly ridiculed at the time.
And whilst we are at it - when I went searching for where I'd responded to your question directly - I found this which I thought might be interesting:
Some might call that a touch prophetic...
Physics; Thou art a cruel, heartless Bitch-of-a-Mistress
The Majestic Metal Wizard
One thing YOU seem to have "Glossed over" ... North Korea, China, and the United States signed an armistice agreement. South Korea, however, objected to the continued division of Korea and did not agree to the armistice or sign a formal peace treaty. So while the fighting ended, technically the war never did.
With the war "Technically" still ongoing ... they won't want to go home. Their presence is the main reason the shooting hasn't continued.
Don't give him grief on missing any point ... you missed the fact the war hasn't ended.
If their freedom included the ability to leave the country ... they'd probably ALL leave ... and wouldn't go back.
If YOU lived in North Korea and had the chance to leave ... would YOU go back ...
Didn't gloss over it, it wasn't relavent - and yes I was aware that the Korean War never officially ended.
Physics; Thou art a cruel, heartless Bitch-of-a-Mistress
The Majestic Metal Wizard
Except that in the article it shows the
That you deny there existence is
Or as Pritch put it:
Physics; Thou art a cruel, heartless Bitch-of-a-Mistress
Geriatric hoon
Came across this guy a while back. I like his attitude. This is his latest, events have moved on just a little but it's worth a look.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDWw6R3kMzc
There is a grey blur, and a green blur. I try to stay on the grey one. - Joey Dunlop
Kiwibiker
Look who is making a rare weekend post, got called back into work to complete what you should of done last week while posting on kb? hehehe
I've not linked this to Trumps political career, you are the one doing that. The cunt should of apologized to the people he called for to be put to death right after they were exonerated. End of.
Which is why I framed my latest attempt at my question to you very carefully this time as not to link it to whether trump started the riot or not. You have still completely failed to answer the question. And the question is very simple.
So try again. Is it good form for a leader to encourage his supporters to march on the halls of Government, telling them he will be right there beside them - only to turn his back on said supporters and go instead to a party of friends and family and watch it on the telly? Prove to me this is not your kryptonite, because as of now, it sure looks to be.
Any utterances of "I don't care" or It is not relevant to blah blah" will be accepted as being you have no defense for Trump in this matter.
Me. I said it. In terms of media coverage, mainly due to his "go to" of over promise and under deliver on the so called media platform he was building - he is sliding very much into the role as former president and reality tv star. Less exposure, particularly for the likes of a cretin like Trump, is less relevance = less followers. As people get to come down from the Trump hype, they have a chance to realize what prats they have been.
Despite what the Republican party is currently doing and saying, I will be surprised if he is the nominee for 24, but would welcome it if he is. The thought of President Cruz, Hawley, McConnel, Grahame, or Cotton is nauseatingly worse! The Dems party is the party of wishful thinking incompetents. The Repubs are the party of just straight out arseholes. You can actually see it in play in the comments sections on their respective propaganda media networks. America is fucked and the only way in the World order for them is down. They got themselves there from straying further and further from the spirit of the constitution. As with all super powers before them, they succumbed to unbridled greed.
Good luck with that. As I said, there is no viable solution, just like the middle east. I doubt either scenario will be resolved without major bloodshed. It is not that I want that, it is more....you know...humans.
I do not accept your premise. Judging which lies are not really lies, but little helpers is a never ending slippery slope.
Imagine trying to explain that concept along with defining the "line not to cross" to your children.
Trumps lies are not special. Just because he lies just about every time he opens his mouth does not transform the lies into being simply the way he talks - it just makes him a serial liar.
Spectacular gloss job there mate, I see resene has already sent you some test pots. I notice you avoid my 2 examples of his lies, of which one killed many thousands of people. Trumps lies are certainly of no better quality than any other politicians, and certainly more prolific than most. Free pass for trump - DENIED.
Do you think they go to watch the shows to spy on them in an effort to glean pointers to the Opera brigades communist takeover plans?
It was good under Trump, I admit it. It was good, but really - just a continuation of an already upward trajectory.
Imagine if Trump had taken a page out of Jacindas book on how to handle a pandemic. He would of come out a hero and absolutely steam rolled the dems in 2020. His downplaying role was a VERY naive attempt to shield the economy with a blanket of denial and lies. It led directly to his ultimate downfall.
I never passed comment on that at the time because my American wife has a good friend back in the States with the right qualifications and active participant in the fight against covid. She told my wife that in her strong opinion this virus for sure was created in a lab. So I had a fair idea already.
Biden did ridicule Trump at the time, and it is looking more and more like he was wrong. But whether he had the facts and was lying is quite subjective. But to clear up my feelings on it - Biden is a politician, so if course he is a liar. And a denier for that matter. He is a dinosaur and not really fully equipped to lead a modern fast changing World. But is still leagues ahead of an inexperienced narcissistic reality tv star running the show.
Celebrities with no prior political experience have no business running a country. I defer to Bill below as he makes the points about celebs I very much subscribe to.
Aio ki te Aorangi
I got 1 minute in to the vid... maybe it got better, but I seriously doubt it.
... coz the trained politicians/businesspeeps doing the job of serving their people have done such a fantastic job over the last 100 years. I'm guessing Bill lives in an ivory tower, coz he certainly hasn't looked past his own nose... ironic given his celeb diagnosis of narcissism. So you, and Bill the shill, think that politicians/businesspeeps are the right people for the job? Ok... I guess you can at least blame Bill for your opinion and no form of logic generated by yer own brain. The tit in the video is an entertainer. Similarly to Presidents, he does as he is told, sorry, advised. I'd say give it some thought, but I've taken the shortcut and sent an email to Bill. Pretty sure he'll reinform your brain soon enough... unless he's been bought
I didn't think!!! I experimented!!!
Anorak
Maybe you should run for parliament you would be sure to get in with all your credentials and great ideas.I got 1 minute in to the vid... maybe it got better, but I seriously doubt it.
But seriously. What exactly do you have to bring to the table, do you actually have the skills yourself to be a political leader?
Or do you sincerely believe there is some sort of conspiracy that prevents you from being elected as a political leader?
Or is it you believe the voters are not smart enough to know how great you really are?
https://www.electionresults.govt.nz/...etails-20.html
https://www.parliament.nz/en/documen...al_Profile#_32
Kinky is using a feather. Perverted is using the whole chicken
Kiwibiker
Your post perfectly sums up why you came in near enough to dead last in your last election bid and you are on so many peoples ignore list here on KB. No one is interested in your rambling messaging.I got 1 minute in to the vid... maybe it got better, but I seriously doubt it.
Aio ki te Aorangi
Your post perfectly sums up why you came in near enough to dead last in your last election bid and you are on so many peoples ignore list here on KB. No one is interested in your rambling messaging.... ladies and gentlemen, the voter.
Smarty pants... since ages ago
You must learn to finish sentences before you submit your reply ...
Your grammar needs work ...
Have you considered ... he might be correct ... ??
When life throws you a curve ... Lean into it ...
The Majestic Metal Wizard
He could be, He could also not be.
My contention is that when you have to proclaim demonstrably false facts to maintain your belief, that is Cultish behavior.
Physics; Thou art a cruel, heartless Bitch-of-a-Mistress
The Majestic Metal Wizard
You're half-right, Wife is back at work and until her schedule gets fixed and we can update Daycare - I'm using my Works Flexi-time
Trump wasn't much of a public figure in the early 00s really before the Apprentice started (2004) - which is after they were acquitted - I stand by the point that at that time, that was over 10 years ago - did he even remember that he had done it?
It's being brought up now as ammo against Trump's Political Career, which is why I'm linking it in that manner.
The problem I have is with your framing - you want to take the reasonable and literal interpretation of 'I'll be right there with you' as in physically there.
That - is completely fair enough - and on that basis you want me to concede that saying he will be physically there and not being there is poor leadership.
However, in order for me to accept your very reasonable and literal interpretation of the quote you take umbrage with, I - in return - get to insist on you also taking the reasonable and literal interpretation of the Quote that I have raised - namely 'Peacefully and patriotically'
So if you want me to concede Poor Leadership (which even given the above - it's a reasonable conjecture that seeing what was happening - leading the Protest might have aggravated things) then you must also concede that from his words there was no attempt at insurrection or riot and that the message was plain.
I don't think you will do this as you have your opinion formed on other related factors and as such, You will also have to grant me the same leeway that you grant yourself.
The Media coverage though isn't a reliable Metric - as they have a vested interest.
But here's the serious question for you - consider all the Trump supporters - do you think that if he goes away they will stop holding the beliefs that made them like Trump in the first place?
One look at Britain and the absolute demolition of the 'Red Wall' primarily on the points of the increased focus on Identity Politics (which England has a much stronger aversion to, due to factors in our history) from Labour is an indication that the Blue Collar workers are increasingly getting fed-up of the middle class socialists that run both the Major Left-Wing parties. (democrats, UK Labour, NZ Labour)
The question is how long it takes.
There's much I could pick apart here but I'm actually going to outright agree with the one statement:
"They got themselves there from straying further and further from the spirit of the constitution"
Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness - The Libertarian dream is that everyone has the right to try and make it for themselves and the Government does not care if they do or don't.
The 'Arsehole' Republicans are closest to that view 'If you fail, you fail - don't come crying to me about it'
But the Democrats and their marxist influences - namely an insistence of equity and equality of outcome are diametrically opposed to that statement
Neither of us want that. My sincere hope is that once people get a taste of Freedom - Real Freedom - they will realize that it is worth almost any sacrifice.
I'd like to think that if the bad guys were landing on NZ's shores tomorrow, I wouldn't hesitate to pick up a Rifle and defend that which I believe.
When you explain it to a child - all lies are bad.
As one grows and learns adult reasoning, then the lines get more and more blurry.
Consider a Deeply religious Family whose child takes their own life because of issues with identity and Sexuality - It is certainly a lie by omission not to tell them, in order to preserve the memories they have of their child, it may even be a direct lie if someone who did know was asked by the family - Is that a Lie that has Malice at it's heart? No - it's a lie to prevent someone from experience even more emotional pain than they are already.
That is my premise - that not all lies are equal - some have malice at the root of them, some have noble intent. Some even start off with Noble intentions and then end up in some horribly twisted variant.
Or a New Yorker....
But jesting aside - when it comes to the actual BIG things - the things that get written down, get implemented into Policy, as opposed to off-the-cuff remarks - those things, I've found him to be more honest than most politicians.
From my point of view, I would say he took a risk, it's one of the things I like about Trump - that he does take risks - The Covid one did backfire, although when you get into the detail and you look at the individual states and individual state Governance - it very quickly becomes much more nuanced.
As I've hinted at elsewhere - in NZ we have a number of inate advantages that the US simply didn't have.
No I think they go to watch the shows as a celebration of our rich and wonderful culture - a Culture that the Patrons of the arts (those old white rich men) want to see preserved and a Culture that the performers and governing bodies absolutely despise.
And when there comes a conflict - when those institutions start annoying their Patrons, the Money quickly goes away and then they have to reset.
And this is one of my biggest contentions:
Something good happened - it was a continuation of Obama (despite it being double under Trump)
Something Bad happens - it was all Trumps fault (even when it was actually an Obama policy)
I've said elsewhere I'd prefer Trump's handling over Jacindas and as above - given we are an Island nation with realistically 3 ways to enter the country, that we had any community transmission is a blight on Jacinda - but suffice to say my thoughts on Jacinda are abundantly clear.
There's a difference between the Opposition playing as the Opposition and what Biden did - in my opinion.
If the roles were reversed, would have been as charitable to Trump? I don't think so.
As for the last line - I can't agree, even if I was to accept all your critiques of Trump, in the manner you gave them - Biden is an example of everything that is wrong with Career Politicians.
I could also retort that people who have never had to run a business and create wealth and work for people have no business running an Economy.
And without watching the video - I can see the point you are making - one of the beauties of the Western Democracy is that there is no barrier to entry - Anyone, with a sufficiently convincing idea can in theory become President/Prime Minister etc.
Whilst that may mean you get a few stinkers (Like Jacinda - from my PoV) it also means you get the likes of Churchill or Thatcher (also, from my PoV) stopping people without Political experience from running for Office whilst has some merits on paper is as dangerous an idea of restricting the right to Vote...
and for reference, there's an argument that could be made that one should have to pass a test in order to vote - but that opens such a can of worms that we accept all the problems of allowing everyone to vote in the hopes it will prevent the problems if only a limited number of people vote.
That said... Service Guarantees Citizenship....
Physics; Thou art a cruel, heartless Bitch-of-a-Mistress
Smarty pants... since ages ago
Which one would you put money on ... as to being (more) correct. Pritch or Hussy .. ?? In my book ... both descriptions are pretty much the same thing.
Various (so called) religious groups proclaim all sorts of "Stuff" to their believers ... that to the unbeliever ... is just bullshit.
YOU "Proclaim" all sorts of bullshit to try to make a point. Are you a cult .. ?? You do seem to proclaim all sorts of bullshit ...
The truth to one group ... are just lies to another group.
And for any person or group to continue in their beliefs ... that is their choice. And unless their actions are illegal in the Country they're in ... they are entitled to hold their beliefs.
Just another benefit of a free society I guess ...
And a cult can have a basis in a religious form ... OR ... a person (or thing) that is popular (or fashionable) among a particular group or section of society. For example ... a Rugby team. Or team Captain even. Was Ritchie McCaw a cult Leader .. ??
Ever heard of "Cult following" and "Cult Branding" .. ??? (Do you know the difference .. ??)
When life throws you a curve ... Lean into it ...
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