Trump - 4 more years of this at least...

[pritch]

Buddy,


Wow! I am surprised! We have finally agreed on something! Donald trump is not a politician! He is certainly not! He is a businessman! He was won battles in the real world! He hasn't gone from university studying politics and then gone into politics. He has lived and payed tax in the real world! He is out there representing your average hard working person! He hasn't quite adjusted to the 2024 pc bullshit and that is why the majority love him and the media hate him.

That is funny - and tragic at the same time. Trump is truly awful as a businessman. I doubt he has ever owned a successful business (other than the skating rink). That he payed tax is a novel concept. Well he did pay tax in China. He payed more tax in China than in the US. He has an extensive list of failed business ventures including casinos.

He lied about getting a small loan of a million dollars which he had to pay back. He was given a million dollars on his eighth birthday. His father left nearly a billion to the family. Trump tried to gain control the whoie amount but his mother said his proposal failed the smell test.

The majority don't love Trump. He is beloved of the hard of thinking.

[onearmedbandit]

Congratulation kb2020dope, you have been the first to receive an infraction after my warning was given. More will be handed out to anyone who either continues to attack other members or takes the thread off topic. I've checked the stockroom and we currently have an excess supply of infractions to hand out so keep that in mind.

[Pursang]

Talking Straight to don-Old ----Love this one! the end is magic.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Talking Straight to don-Old ----Love this one! the end is magic.

I enjoyed that greatly. Thanks for posting. I will check out this Lincoln Project now. Cheers

[husaberg]

Here is the letter.
Maybe the Trump supporter here might explain his need to do this?
As Trump and his supporters always claim his right to "free speech" when he lies and spouts total fabrications.
Yet if someone says something that triggers him. He throws the "free speech" stuff out the window and attempts to "gag order" them.....

[sugilite:Me]

Hey those numbers don’t look awfully different!? 2 & 6% respectively.

Heyya Dean, I'm going to accept your numbers as I have no time to check em. The thing that really grinds my gears about the gop, is when they are not in power, they are all about fiscal responsibility, threatening to shut down the Government seemingly every few months to "cut down wasteful spending" - but the moment they are in power, just like the dems they spend like drunken sailors, and don't get me started on the waste from both teams!
The GOP - when in power have not exactly covered themselves in glory when it comes to the deficit. Clinton managed to balance the books and run a surplus though most of his 8 year term and left Bush a tidy 236 billion surplus which bush managed to not only completely burn through but run the country into a deficit in his very first year!!!
https://www.factcheck.org/2008/02/th...under-clinton/

This idea that somehow the gop is better at managing spending is just a myth, perpetuated by the gop itself.

He has lived and payed tax in the real world!

As against the not real World? Very strange statement there brother Dope.

He is out there representing your average hard working person!

Trump only paid $750 income tax in 2016 and 2017, he paid a lot more than that in several other countries over the same time period. I'm not blaming him for scamming the system when clearly it has so many holes in the USA that rich people like him can escape paying taxes legally. However, painting him as a "man of the people" makes me laugh every time. He gives not one shit about "the people".

He hasn't quite adjusted to the 2024 pc bullshit and that is why the majority love him and the media hate him.

My observations on magas such as yourself through the years comprises of watching them ignore trumps every crime and sin because he "owns the libs" and it gives magas that big dopamine hit.
This phenomena is clearly evidenced by your refusal to comment on trumps video showing in trumps own words to millions of people describing how hot his daughters are and even claiming he would date one if she were not his daughter.
Just in case you missed it, here it is again below.

[husaberg]

Heyya Dean, I'm going to accept your numbers as I have no time to check em. T

You really shouldn't accept his numbers. He edited out a year yet keep in all of everyone elses.
Trumps increased the national debt by an average of $8,1 trillion a year.
Not Deans average claim of an annual increase of 1.3 trillion.

Trumps made the national debt about about 33% each year than Obama and was 2.5x worse than Biden.
This is despite Obama leaving him a roaring economy and pulling the US out of a GFC

In 2008, Barack Obama to lead the country through the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression

All bush did was bail out some banks he never had to deal with the aftermath.

The Great Recession refers to the economic downturn from 2007 to 2009 after the bursting of the U.S. housing bubble and the global financial crisis. The Great Recession was the most severe economic recession in the United States since the Great Depression of the 1930s.

Also being buried in a couple of wars that Bush mk2 created.

Whoever takes over will have an economy ready to have interest rates cut and a economy primed for rapid growth

[Dean]

Heyya Dean, I'm going to accept your numbers as I have no time to check em.

Thanks Suglite, yes unfortunately some of the folk in here cling on to US debt numbers during the global COVID pandemic, under Trumps reign, to support their narrative.

Instead of comparing apples with apples, which professionals would do, (Trumps non-covid annual debt - which is similar to Obama and Biden!).

Some think any other Democrat president would have magically waved a wand and kept debt at a controlled level during COVID.

The GOP - when in power have not exactly covered themselves in glory when it comes to the deficit. Clinton managed to balance the books and run a surplus though most of his 8 year term and left Bush a tidy 236 billion surplus which bush managed to not only completely burn through but run the country into a deficit in his very first year!!!
https://www.factcheck.org/2008/02/th...under-clinton/

This I don’t agree, you need to ask yourself - what did each president do? What happened in their term? Instead of - hey that number is bigger than that one!

Remember - apples with apples:

Clinton was president during very small scale military aid operations such as:
- Bosnian War 1992-1995
- Kosovo War 1998-1999
- Somalia 1993
- Operation Desert Fox 1998
- Haiti 1994-1995

Military operations and war costs money.

The above operations reflect that Clinton near halved defence spending from 400 billion in 1992 to 296 billion.

Now let’s look at George W Bush:

He launched the greatest military operations since Vietnam.
- War on Afghanistan 2001
- Iraq War 2003
- Global war on terror 2003
- War in North West Pakistan 2004

These engagements directly accounted for 1.155 trillion of the 4.9 trillion increase.

Excluding the interest on borrowed funds, veterans care and other.

In fact, the “costs of war project” from Brown University estimated a holistic 6 trillion debt.

Now let’s talk about the economy.

Recessions or global financial crisis under Clinton:
- 0!

Under George W Bush:
- The dot com bubble recession 2001
- The global financial crisis/house bubble 2007 the greatest economic downturn since the Great Depression

[Dean]

Here’s another way to look at it.

Let’s take it year by year:

Obama
2009 - 1.9 Trillion
2010 - 1.7 Trillion
2011 - 1.2 Trillion
2012 - 1.1 Trillion

Trump
2017 - 0.7 Trillion
2018 - 1.2 Trillion
2019 - 1.2 Trillion
2020 COVID - 4.2 Trillion

Biden
2021 - 1.5 Trillion
2022 - 1.8 Trillion
2023 - 1.7 Trillion
2024 to date - Estimates 2 Trillion

https://www.fiscal.treasury.gov/reports-statements/mts/

[husaberg]

how about real figures rather than cherry picked data added up and then reconfigured to suit an agenda
Last time I looked Obama served two terms or 8 years


https://www.investopedia.com/us-debt...entage-7371225

#Note Bidens COVID stimulus is valued at 1.9 trillion
# trumps COVID stimulus was 2.2 trillion

[Berries]

Also I was not after a reply from my statement. I wanted you to shut your whore mouth and think. You couldnt do that. K rd, hunters corner, courney pl or Manchester St for you.

Well you do appear to know all the hot spots. Seeing as you are 12 I guess your Mum must have taken you there?

[Dean]

I think you may not like that link you shared.

It states that Trump signed the largest financial rescue package in US history…

And here’s the kicker - direct payment to American families of $1,200 per adult plus $500 per child for households earning up to 75k (middle class).

It would be logical for you, based on your stance, to question why Biden had not provided a greater rescue package for the middle class? Being supposedly all for the middle class?

Particularly as per your perception that Trump was all things bad and Biden’s economy was squeaky clean.

It also states that out of the top 5 in US history, 3 were Democrats!
That’s 60%.

Back to Trump, interesting to see him only a few spots away from Biden.
All whilst weathering the global pandemic which peaked in America during the “first wave” in 2020 and the “winter surge” early 2021.

Quite impressive.

Then setting up Biden with a handsome relief package while COVID affects declined during Biden reign.

In conclusion - nothing you have posted support your statements or views.

Neither do I think you have the capacity to keep up with this level of analysis of data.

Goodbye

[Pursang]

I’m feeling the need to be a little kind and gentle to the MAGAts.

Many of these poor souls have invested over 8 years of their emotional, spiritual and, in many cases, financial resources to this this Entity, one that many of them believe is their Orange Messiah, ordained by God. Some even proclaim him as the 2nd coming of JC, himself.
Families have been destroyed, former friends, workmates, and family members have been ‘outcast’ for being LGBTQIA, RINO, ‘liberal’ (esp. called socialist/communist/fascist, without any logical understanding that these are incompatible philosophies). Black Americans, other colored people, immigrants, aliens, asylum seekers, other religions and the indigenous are all considered inferior in the MAGA state and are not welcome. (Jesus Weeps!)

These pitiful followers have been prepared to overlook all the lies, the crimes, the grifting, even the transgressions against the 10 Commandments, in order to achieve their ‘higher aims’. So far, Restrictions on Women’s reproductive rights and the imposition of the now seemingly ‘not fundamentally important’ Commandments on the walls in some schools is All they got. Billionaires did a lot better with the huge reduction of the top tax rate.

Hannibal Lecter, sharks and batteries are a major focus of former president trump’s addresses. The repeated reminder that he is a/the Snake, is also telling. Calling out the consequences of his unlawful behaviors as ‘unfair’ and as an impediment / interference to his second attempt to be re-elected also feature a lot. Project 2025, the program designed to manage the US transition to an authoritarian state, is currently being denied by trump as something he “knows nothing about”. Denigrating military service while lavishly praising Magamega-donors has taken a higher priority recently.

His purpose for running is to avoid incarceration for his adjudicated (and outstanding) crimes, and if possible, to enact revenge on his many perceived ‘enemies’. Actual policy positions are avoided, to divert public attention from Project 2025.
People can be seen leaving his unfilled venues mid-ramble. Meanwhile he lies, about numbers attending Harris/Walz events, despite overwhelming photographic evidence to disprove his false claims. Questions are now being raised in conservative circles, especially among major donors, not just re: his mental fitness, but if he still has any possibility of winning the presidential election. (Priority noted!) Latest polls indicate that this is increasingly unlikely.

Also a problem, is the lack of funds for ‘downstream’ candidates. After trump’s personal Legal expenses and what appears to be rampant ‘diversion’ to non-PAC accounts, little is left. The ‘project’ will not work if a ‘Blue Blanket’ descends on Congress & the Senate.

So, we must expect some loud denial, foot stamping, acting out, outrageous false claims, even behaviors of the kind seen at Charlottesville and the capital on Jan 6th. 2021. Some concern and attention is required from authorities, because many of his rabid followers are the ‘nutbags’ with the military assault weapons.

[Dean]

IÂ’m feeling the need to be a little kind and gentle

Thats a lot to unpack…

No need to reply to me at 2am - it can wait for the morning!

Trump 2024 MAGA.

[TheDemonLord]

(esp. called socialist/communist/fascist, without any logical understanding that these are incompatible philosophies).

Are they?

Marx quite clearly said that Socialism was a stepping stone to Communism.

And all the founders of Fascism were former Marxists.

China, for example, is a great example of a Fascist regime. It believes itself to be a Communist government and adheres to Marxist Leninism.

Whilst Communism is more of an Economic philosophy and Fascism is more of a Political philosophy - they both believe in a Collectivist narrative (Proletariat vs Bourgeoisie is awfully similar to Aryans vs Jews), they both hate the Jews (A Hammer and Sickle flag is never far away from a Pro-Palestine demonstration), They both believe in Government directed economies (There are subtle differences here, but in practice they are virtually the same), There are some key differences in the belief of ownership of private property - however, the Communists themselves will often retreat that to saying that Private Property is allowed, so long as it is not Bourgeoisie property - that allows the generation of Capital (e.g. wealth).

I could go on - but I will leave with this:

Once you believe in a Collectivist narrative (Us vs Them) - and you run that experiment to its ultimate conclusion - you end up with either Cambodia or Mid-Century Germany - both of which, from a practical point of view, are virtually indistinguishable.

The antidote is an individualist narrative.