Speeding and lack of riding skills

[Edbear]

What I take from this thread is that a lot of people are still confused. They seem to equate reckless driving and speed. They are not one in the same. Yes, reckless driving is often done at speed but driving at speed does not have to be reckless.

The two riders mentioned in the first post are reckless idiots, this would be true if the maneuvers mentioned were performed under or over the speed limit.

Also, I caught the hint that people already think today's accident was caused by speed alone. This is extremely premature. Just because he was doing 150km/h does not mean that this caused the accident. I for one do not yet know the facts and refuse to speculate.

Well said!

[The Pastor]

And by respected I mean waiting until a safe pass can be made and passing with respect to other riders rather than picking off a gap that barely exists just to show how fast you are.

i think u hit it on the head dude,

riding is not 100% about you (thats racing)

riding is about having fun - but not at the expense of anyone else.

gotta have a relaxed attitude on the road - ride fast be cool.

[raster]

..... The point being that riding with others means we should put our ego's aside and ride according to the comfort and safety of the other riders. We may think we're competent and safe, but if they don't, we are in the wrong, especially if someone were to crash due to reacting to our riding. It's called "consideration for others".

Right on the Button there Edbear.
I used to drive Limousines at one stage and that made me aware of the comfort of others and have since driven accordingly, which include other vehicles around me.

[DEATH_INC.]

Mmmm, just remember there's this thing called 'perception', the riders may have thought there was heaps of room to pass......what I call slow you may not, what I call a big gap you may not.... etc etc....

[beyond]

Mmmm, just remember there's this thing called 'perception', the riders may have thought there was heaps of room to pass......what I call slow you may not, what I call a big gap you may not.... etc etc....

Without detracting from this thread in anyway, this is quite correct.
I've had it mentioned that I've cut a passing manouevre a bit fine in the past but I know full well I had plenty of room, didn't inconvenience anyone and accomplished it in safety.

Perception is a big thing and each person has a different perception on what they regard as a close call than say someone else.

I wasn't there in this case so can't make a call on this one.

[sunhuntin]

katman... thanks for the red. looks very festive on my rep page now... all green and red. lol. why though? stupid statement, my saying i want to die on the road? why not? what fun is there in dying bedridden, lying in my own filth because the rest home nurses are too useless to take proper care of people? or tied up to a shitload of tubes with machines doing everything for me? nup, that aint for me. ive already been hit once, and was shocked and a bit annoyed when i come out the other end and realised not only was i not broken, but i was also alive. bugger.

if i could afford it, i would live on the road, literally. and, as such, i will die by the road. how many bikers get the luck of dying while doing something they love? not many, thats for sure. and thats one comfort when reading of bikers killed... least they were doing what they love.

unless something else catches me, which is beyond my control, i will go under my own circumstances, and no one here is to pity that.

[Edbear]

Without detracting from this thread in anyway, this is quite correct.
I've had it mentioned that I've cut a passing manouevre a bit fine in the past but I know full well I had plenty of room, didn't inconvenience anyone and accomplished it in safety.

Perception is a big thing and each person has a different perception on what they regard as a close call than say someone else.

I wasn't there in this case so can't make a call on this one.

Point taken from you both. What I was saying is about perceptions and it's the perceptions of those we ride with that we should be taking into account.

I was told off by my wife, (don't look so surprised...!), many years ago when driving the old Torana, for revving it too high, she was "supported" by my mother, (I said, don't look so surprised...!), and no amount of explaining the capabilities of the engine would placate them. So I learned to drive according to their perceptions...

When I was on my own, though...

[deanohit]

Me also.
I believe as you get older, you find speed isn't the only thing required with riding. I was quite happy to lose 46hp from my ZX-10 to upgrading to my Guzzi V11 Sport.

You don't even have to be that old, I'm happy cruising along, the only reason I want to upgrade my bike is to cruise at 100 easier.

[Skyryder]

You're either too senile or too slow. I'd hazard a guess at both; given your bike, uptake on my sarcasm and admitted old age.

How about you crawl back in your box and curl up ready for the reaper....'cos you know he's coming...old man.

He's coming for everyone 'sonny.' Methinks he's spotted you before your time.

Skyryder

[boomer]

He's coming for everyone 'sonny.' Methinks he's spotted you before your time.

Skyryder

everyone goes when they go. no point fighting it.

some have more to learn than others hence there stay is longer... you're obviously not a quick learner

[toycollector10]

And lot of great and well reasoned posts in it.

I was riding today and it was just more of the same from my fellow motorcyclists.

To the guy who came up on me very, very, fast and overtook me on a left hand medium to slow bend. Why? You didn't know me from shit and I could have been a newby who was going to drift out and either hit you or push you into oncomming cagers. Ride with your light on too son, people will be able to see you that way.

To the two guys comming down Dyers Pass road: KEEP LEFT FUCKERS!

To the idiot with his fat GF on the back of his BMW who overtook me heading up Dyers Pass: KEEP LEFT. DON'T OVERTAKE ON A BLIND CORNER! DON'T CROSS THE DOUBLE YELLOW LINE ON A BLIND CORNER, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S A RIGHT HANDER YOU FOOL!

And on and on it goes. I don't know who the hell you are trying to impress.

I'm always bloody unimpressed by this sort of shit.

And that was just today.

[bmz2]

as i said before i throught it would be a cage that would take me out ,or the wife for the insurance , not a fellow biker wait untill a biker is killed by other biker, hate to see what happens then,

[Edbear]

: wait untill a biker is killed by other biker, hate to see what happens then,

It's happened. People are still hurting. There's a thread here somewhere.

[bmz2]

It's happened. People are still hurting. There's a thread here somewhere.

you are correct had forgotten about that , that just shows you, how quick people forget , thank you for reminding me

[Fatjim]

Bmz2, If you had reacted poorly, your 1/2 ton of bike would have knocked his straight into the oncoming car, which then probably would have taken you also,

As somebody who rides my local UK roads (busier than any I saw in NZ) at pace, surely the issue isn't speed... it's about building up experience and having consideration for your other road users

(RIP fallen rider)

How can not pulling over for a faster rider not be poor reactions. BMZ2 waited until the guy was passing him to pull over? Reminds me of all the retards in cars txting on the way to work everyday. Consideration is making room for every rider, whether he's faster, or slower than you.