Power to weight restriction

**quickbuck** · 30th March 2008, 19:19

Originally Posted by McDuck

I recon the cops should just carry a set of scales in the car and have the dry weight plus rider weight, but that would be to hard.

Yeah, and a Dyno while they are at it...

Heck why don't we all just stop at weigh bridges for them to check out licences.
Full licences carry on, learners ride over the scales, onto the dyno, get chained down... Rev the tits off your bike and ride off with a ticket for being too loud.....

**McDuck** · 30th March 2008, 19:44

Originally Posted by quickbuck

Yeah, and a Dyno while they are at it...

Heck why don't we all just stop at weigh bridges for them to check out licences.
Full licences carry on, learners ride over the scales, onto the dyno, get chained down... Rev the tits off your bike and ride off with a ticket for being too loud.....

pmsl

10 char

**Coyote** · 30th March 2008, 19:58

Originally Posted by DangerousBastard

gee what is going to happen to the fast two-stroke 250's then ? They are not a legal learner machine, not reeeeeely worth upgrading TO from a learner bike, and certainly no substitute for a litre bike..

Gee they might all end up on the track.. bummer.

DB

I'm pretty keen to snap one up once prices fall and TYGA it up. It'll stay on the road.

**Ixion** · 30th March 2008, 20:15

Sigh. I see people are still confused. Forget about weights, and horsepower and weight bridges.

What matters is the LIST. If it's on the list , it's learner legal. Not on the list, it's not (but, read the bloody thing properly, please)

Doesn't matter what you reckon your 600 Puffmocycle weighs, or produces. On the list? Good to go. Not on the list ? here's 50 demerits.

Where the 150 kw and stuff comes in, is that is how (amongst other things) the sheeple will decide whether to put it on the list in the first place. More than 150kw per tonne, no show. Less than 150kw/t, maybe (NOT definately, they can still exclude them if they want)

The lists the thing.

**scumdog** · 30th March 2008, 20:20

Originally Posted by Ixion

Sigh. The lists the thing.

And for Pete's sake (who the hell is pete anyway?) people it's big enough, sheesh!!

But I guess for the KB whinger brigade it won't be big or good enough

**JimO** · 30th March 2008, 20:21

Originally Posted by Ixion

Sigh. I see people are still confused. Forget about weights, and horsepower and weight bridges.

What matters is the LIST. If it's on the list , it's learner legal. Not on the list, it's not (but, read the bloody thing properly, please)

Doesn't matter what you reckon your 600 Puffmocycle weighs, or produces. On the list? Good to go. Not on the list ? here's 50 demerits.

Where the 150 kw and stuff comes in, is that is how (amongst other things) the sheeple will decide whether to put it on the list in the first place. More than 150kw per tonne, no show. Less than 150kw/t, maybe (NOT definately, they can still exclude them if they want)

The lists the thing.

is there a NZ list or only the aussie one

**Swoop** · 30th March 2008, 20:23

Originally Posted by pritch008

Do not learner and restricted car drivers also have restrictions?

They have curfew and the usual restrictions, but do not have any engine capacity/size limitations during that time (afaik!).

**WelshWizard** · 30th March 2008, 20:29

Originally Posted by McDuck

u must be old....

got mine in the early 60's and still rideing, though there have been a few Car drivers that have tried there best to stop me over the years,

The main thing is we are still rideing ( against the odds, for how long who knows, find out one day I suppose)

**rwh** · 30th March 2008, 20:40

Originally Posted by Ixion

Sigh. I see people are still confused. Forget about weights, and horsepower and weight bridges.

What matters is the LIST. If it's on the list , it's learner legal. Not on the list, it's not (but, read the bloody thing properly, please)

Except, I don't think I've seen any mention of a list in any of the news reports. Only on here. No mention of a 90kg allowance for rider either, for that matter.

Do you (Ixion - since you were the source of some of these things) have access to sources that the rest of us don't?

Richard

**quickbuck** · 30th March 2008, 20:43

Originally Posted by Ixion

Sigh. I see people are still confused. Forget about weights, and horsepower and weight bridges.

Hey, it was a P/T from me.
Got a bit of bling too....
Cheers guys.

Anyhow, and this is agreeing with you Ixion, the list.
The only one we have seen is the Aussie one for an example...

The NZ one is still to be created.
Will be interesting to see one soon...

I'm sure the importers will want a sneak preview too

I guess in the mean time a good old educated guess at exactly what will definitely comply will suffice.
Those that are marginal, well then may be best to assume it is too powerful... for the time being....

Of course these changes are PROPOSALS.

**Ixion** · 30th March 2008, 20:45

Dear Harry's media release specifically said that they were going to follow the Oz LAMS model. That means a list. That's how it works in Oz. They have the same 150 hp/t thing BUT THE LIST IS WHAT MATTERS.

There (obviously) isn't a NZ list yet. But it's as certain as anything involving sheeple can be, that they will start with the Victorian list and then add or subtract . We have ahd some bike sin this country that Oz never got. So there will be a good case to ask for the inclusion of (eg) the 400 cc jap market twins and singles.

The 90kg rider thing is how the Oz authorities work it out. If NZ follows the LAMS model (as Harry says they will) then they'll use the same, or similar, calculation. It's possible that NZ could do something different but I'd think it very very improbable. At least, unless someone specifically asks them to.

**avgas** · 30th March 2008, 20:48

But i still think they are going about this the wrong way.
Drop the learner limit to say 150, restricted up to max 400.
I under stand the power to weight ratio thing - but what im not happy about is the fact that on a lowly XR600 i can still out pull with enough torque to wheelie up to 100kph......just perfect for a learner.
We are all hoons when learning bikes.......10 foot tall and bulletproof.
Giving learners bigger bikes is like giving them a bigger gun.
Without the basic principals, its all a waste.
But mabey i missed the point and after sitting a small scratchy test and riding round a car park young people have enough experience to handle 50+hp on a 160kg frame? I certainly wasn't ready for even 30hp (on a 130kg bike) and this showed 2 weeks later with me going through a fence.