Letter from ACC

[Usarka]

I dont think for a second that hi-vis makes us more "seeable". There are so many people out there with the "hi-vis" vest or what have you, we will just blend in as we do now. Bit like the headlight debate really.

Sorry mon, but your sound like switched on perosn, so what you think is probably poles apart from how ACC will interpret the answers.

hi-vis has been a gubbernmint topic resently. I really do think Ixions suggestion is in the best interest of bikers.



(too serious for this time of night )

[Mom]

Sorry mon, but your sound like switched on perosn, so what you think is probably poles apart from how ACC will interpret the answers.

hi-vis has been a gubbernmint topic resently. I really do think Ixions suggestion is in the best interest of bikers.



(too serious for this time of night )

OK, I will don the Hi-vis, and vote for it too, but be warned, I look terrible in neon anything....LOL

I am off to refresh my tipple! I agree, far too, far too.

[PrincessBandit]

All I can say is if that is an official letter that you've typed verbatim then it sounds exceptionally dodgy to me - right from the "motorcyclists owner" line!! Btw, how many motorcyclists do you own? Huh, come on now, fess up! nudge nudge, say no more.

[dipshit]

Yes, bike accidents resulting in injury and death have increased disproportionately, but the fact that 75% of them are caused by car drivers, is irrelevant to them.

That's BS though. 75% of fatal motorcycle accidents are caused by the motorcyclist. Including all injury motorcycle accidents, it is about 50/50.

Motorcyclists need to stop blaming everybody else.

[Ixion]

BTW, just what is this "Manawatu Motorcycle Safety Group" ? Anyone ever heard of it?

[chanceyy]

BTW, just what is this "Manawatu Motorcycle Safety Group" ? Anyone ever heard of it?

no I see its supported by bike shops in the area & there is a website I have left my letter at work so one of the others can advise the website address

[Edbear]

That's BS though. 75% of fatal motorcycle accidents are caused by the motorcyclist. Including all injury motorcycle accidents, it is about 50/50.

Motorcyclists need to stop blaming everybody else.

I was just quoting from the letter, mate.

[Bonez]

no I see its supported by bike shops in the area & there is a website I have left my letter at work so one of the others can advise the website address

www.rideforever.co.nz e-mail Manawatumsg@gmail.com

Let's get off the blame game and back on topic. Any feed back is better than non.
Been on a few rides lately and come across groups where a few riders have been wearing vest. They do stand out compared with the riders without them.

[Okey Dokey]

I guess I'm getting crusty and cynical, but my gut reaction is not to supply any information to ACC or the govmt. I don't trust them; I think they will twist it to do whatever they are already planning. And then claim they "consulted" first.

[Headbanger]

That's BS though. 75% of fatal motorcycle accidents are caused by the motorcyclist. Including all injury motorcycle accidents, it is about 50/50.

Motorcyclists need to stop blaming everybody else.

Where do you get this info?

[Headbanger]

Righto, I recieved the letter today, Im with the cynics here, First thought was this will be used against us,

My second was I bet this is to introduce vests.

My third thought was to consider stating on their form that while travelling at 100km/h I passed within a couple feet of a "safety" barrier designed to cut bike rider's in half.

My fourth thought was to pour a juice and whine about it on KB'r....



Guess which highly productive course of action I went with.....

[dipshit]

Where do you get this info?

http://www.transport.govt.nz/assets/...et-July-07.pdf

[rottiguy]

I agree that wearing high vis vests wont do squat, car drivers just don't give a crap about bikes. It's just like most truck drivers who know that if they get in a crash 99% of the time they will be fine. Car drivers "see" a bike and think "who cares I'm bigger than him he can get out of MY way" and they pull right out in front of you or cut you off.
In my opinion the only way to get car drivers to take us seriously is to make every person who wants a car license ride a bike for 1 year before they can get one. Then when they finally get into a car they will not only SEE us they will have a certain amount of empathy/appreciation for bike riders having been one themselves.

[Rogue]

dipshit is on to it I must CONCUR
That site makes very interesting reading
Never again will I blame others

By the way it will be a cold day in hell when I ever wear a hi-viz while riding

[hgmiers]

One is suspicious. We may be sure that whatever ACC may be plotting, it won't be to our advantage.

What is needed here , is for everyone who fills in the form to *say* that any near misses happened when they were wearing a hi-vis jacket, even if y' never really wear one.

Great idea. I'll do that. Hope lots more do it as well.