Work Vs Dole

[flyingcrocodile46]

The incentive is in having self respect, and setting a decent example for your kids. Any person who raises their kids long term on a benefit (other than sickness) should be ashamed. It's supposed to be a safety net, not a way of life.

Oh and by the way, the DPB should be cut by 75% once all the kids are at school - what else are parents going to do between 9 and 3 FFS? Oooh and once you're on the benefit there should be no funding for additional kids. I'd happily pay my taxes towards heaps of contraception though .....

Don't vote Labour!!!

well said

Heres the problem spelled out in black and white. We live in a ME --NOW society.There is an expectation of instant gratification.
Dan you hit it on the noggin. Why should you go to uni?--because in the future you will reap the benifits.
A person sitting on their ass on the dole is where they are gonna be in 20 years whereas you have the opertunity to improve yaself.
Person working 40hours a week in a job paying $700 a week is pissed off
Ok so waddayado? Get a second job earning $150 a week flipping burgers onn a friday/saturday night.
That $150 pays for the uni classes so then you can get better pay at ya first job.
But ya keep flippin burgers anyhoo and put the money aside for deposit on a house. Fark me pretty soon you are renting ya house ot to said dole bludger

... nice to see that 10 percent of the punters here have a conscience and motivation to get ahead without riding on the shoulders of others.


What the hell is with this thread?... most of you need a good smack in the head for not even acknowledging this one simple reality.

The bags of shit who have the freedom to voice their discontent at the lack of incentive they have to *earn their own way* don't even factor (in their considerations) the fact that if everyone was as fucking useless and worthless as they are... there wouldn't be anyone paying taxes so that those (who are genuinely) in need can survive.

Not even once have I heard any of the apathetic bludgers express any gratitude that they owe their f*cking lives to people who aren't as f*cking useless as they are. That's right!... they owe their very lives to the ever reducing percentage of stand up citizens who work for a living and pay taxes.

If I had my way... I'd slit the lazy bastards throats and mince them up for dog food.

[Spiderpig]

Winz offers harship food vouchers...walk in, beg and bingo..terms are that you have to only buy food smokes and booze are not allowed, max change is up to $5 - I've processed enough of these pieces of paper, only to stare at the goods in trolleys and shake my head.

Whats worse, I was at the supermarket shopping last week, and a lady, must have been late 40's early 50's all dolled up in gold jewellery buying top shelf brands of food and THEN present one of these vouchers...the look I gave her was of disgust..how could she sleep at night...

Thing is you are given a sum of $ weekly, pay the utility bills and hello, got some spare change, lets spend it...thus creating folk to live week to week relying on the income.

Public holidays throw these class of people something chronic. Too many times I have heard "when will my money come in its the long weekend I have none till next week" no planning, budgeting or thinking ahead. A client rang once while I was at work "I have no money to pay my phone bill what do I do" yet she was receiving wages, student income, and had well over $500 per week, yet it was all gone! Then starts crying and said "my phone will get cut off"

I hate people like that.

What is your reason for waking up in the morning and getting out of bed, what is your purpose in society as a member???

If you are working you will feel you have a purpose in life, people rely on you as part of their team to achieve goals within an organisation, you will feel appreciated as an individual among peers, as well as have more freedom financially to do what you want earn what you like etc etc..

[homer]

Heres the problem spelled out in black and white. We live in a ME --NOW society.There is an expectation of instant gratification.
Dan you hit it on the noggin. Why should you go to uni?--because in the future you will reap the benifits.
A person sitting on their ass on the dole is where they are gonna be in 20 years whereas you have the opertunity to improve yaself.
Person working 40hours a week in a job paying $700 a week is pissed off
Ok so waddayado? Get a second job earning $150 a week flipping burgers onn a friday/saturday night.
That $150 pays for the uni classes so then you can get better pay at ya first job.
But ya keep flippin burgers anyhoo and put the money aside for deposit on a house. Fark me pretty soon you are renting ya house ot to said dole bludger

i think you got a few very good points there , actually mostly good points.
but i think you forget that theres a lot of us that work most days of the week and earn enought to have a good life style , but we cant exactly do anything to make more money , as theres not enough day s in the week .

so theres me being pissed off with what i get for the hours i work , and not able to do something else either .

so do you want me to be working 12 hrs a day and have to do it every day of the year.
then i end up with money and no time to do anything i want to do ,
oh well maybe i should be on the dole , get the rent payed , and get a cashie on the side .

[98tls]

A bit off topic but this thread made me think of being in town today and seeing that already there are people walking around with poppies for Anzac day which in turn makes me think of all those poor buggers who went off and gave it all and we debate all these years later about a choice to work or not,fucked up really.

[homer]

A bit off topic but this thread made me think of being in town today and seeing that already there are people walking around with poppies for Anzac day which in turn makes me think of all those poor buggers who went off and gave it all and we debate all these years later about a choice to work or not,fucked up really.

thats probably the best post on kb i bet ,
wish they could be here again to get the 40 hr week back and weekends off
id do it my self , but im just 1 man what can i do .

[Coyote]

Don't vote Labour!!!

Then who? I may not be poor and not want my taxes (once I get a job soon) going towards the local hydroponics industry, but I ain't rich either and don't particularly want to be screwed over by National. They'll make the dole harder to get, great, but student loan interest will come back hindering those that do try to better themselves. They'll do whatever costs them less, good or bad.

I sometimes wonder if it'd be cheaper for the government to say after having xx amount of children while on the dole then you will have to undergo an operation so that you are unable to have any more children. I know that everyones situation is different but surely there is a way to stop encouraging people to keep producing while on the benefit?!

It'll be a dark day when the courts are allowed to order invasive surgery.

Encourage them to stop producing by getting rid of the incentives. I remember a episode of Bro Town, one of the characters was being born, and the mum said something along the lines of "this is another x dollars to our dole!". Dysgenics...

I've often thought of a licence to become a parent. It'd be too difficult to enforce though. What happens when there's an accident? Would they get taxed, or would they start ordering out abortions, etc.

Another idea was a 'public etiquette card'. Red: Disruptive, Yellow: Restricted, Green: OK. A test would decide what card you'd get. Then there'd be green card buses where you wouldn't get disturbed by the idiots, so public transport wouldn't be as bad. Though I think this delves to far into segregation.

But ya keep flippin burgers anyhoo and put the money aside for deposit on a house. Fark me pretty soon you are renting ya house ot to said dole bludger

I read in the Listener that until the housing market crashes, most new home seekers will not be able to afford their own home due to living expenses taking any deposit money away from them. So they have to remain paying their landlord that owns 20 other rental properties, 2 homes and a bach.

[homer]

Then who? I may not be poor and not want my taxes (once I get a job soon) going towards the local hydroponics industry, but I ain't rich either and don't particularly want to be screwed over by National. They'll make the dole harder to get, great, but student loan interest will come back hindering those that do try to better themselves. They'll do whatever costs them less, good or bad.

It'll be a dark day when the courts are allowed to order invasive surgery.

Encourage them to stop producing by getting rid of the incentives. I remember a episode of Bro Town, one of the characters was being born, and the mum said something along the lines of "this is another x dollars to our dole!". Dysgenics...

I've often thought of a licence to become a parent. It'd be too difficult to enforce though. What happens when there's an accident? Would they get taxed, or would they start ordering out abortions, etc.

Another idea was a 'public etiquette card'. Red: Disruptive, Yellow: Restricted, Green: OK. A test would decide what card you'd get. Then there'd be green card buses where you wouldn't get disturbed by the idiots, so public transport wouldn't be as bad. Though I think this delves to far into segregation.

I read in the Listener that until the housing market crashes, most new home seekers will not be able to afford their own home due to living expenses taking any deposit money away from them. So they have to remain paying their landlord that owns 20 other rental properties, 2 homes and a bach.

for myself and part
i have worked out that wages earned in a week need to $135 a week added to aprox
with no hps and if we had 20000 for a deposit and the house was say 200000 we actually would still be worst off than we are now paying rent and having hps . cost of the mortgage today for that is 355 per week

[Disco Dan]

is she single , and how do i get on that plan with the govt

No I would stay away from her, ex client. Still a bit 'off'.

Ring me up next time you have a WINZ appointment, but i'll want my fee

[homer]

yep will do , but unfortunately i dont go to winz

[scumdog]

I'll just keep on working for the pittance I get to afford to keep my Harleys, hot-rods, classic cars and country touring life-style AND have a flash payout when I retire...

Mainly my stubborn old-skool self-respect and pride keeps me working - that and a certain amount of drive and ambition.

Even when turfed out on my bum with all the other Fortex workers (Fisher&Peykel was a sort of re-enactment) couldn't bring myself to sign-on for hand-outs, I found work anywhere I could..

[scumdog]

A bit off topic but this thread made me think of being in town today and seeing that already there are people walking around with poppies for Anzac day which in turn makes me think of all those poor buggers who went off and gave it all and we debate all these years later about a choice to work or not,fucked up really.

Top marks - it shouldn't be a choice IMHO.

The old diggers must be spinning in their graves at what this country has turned into.

[scumdog]

The voucher should be for garden tools, fertiliser and seeds .... give them something to get off their lazy arses for .....

Like in several (if not most) US states - a place to stay, a voucher for food etc but not booze or fags - oh and no drivers licence either.

[Disco Dan]

too right! Those dole bludgers get far too much money.

You should have to go to the dole office to collect it each week like they used to do in England. Oh and every couple of weeks they should have to meet with someone at the office and convince them that they have been looking for work and still need it!

[cowboyz]

I sometimes wonder if it'd be cheaper for the government to say after having xx amount of children while on the dole then you will have to undergo an operation so that you are unable to have any more children. I know that everyones situation is different but surely there is a way to stop encouraging people to keep producing while on the benefit?!

there is so much wrong with this statement I am not sure if I even want to comment on it. Especially from someone who preaches tolerance.

Mainly my stubborn old-skool self-respect and pride keeps me working - that and a certain amount of drive and ambition.

Even when turfed out on my bum with all the other Fortex workers (Fisher&Peykel was a sort of re-enactment) couldn't bring myself to sign-on for hand-outs, I found work anywhere I could..

on ya.
I have never been on the dole myself. I dont think my ego could take the hit to be honest. A little too proud to be begging for money.
Had some fairly crap to shit jobs over the years though. And some good ones.

too right! Those dole bludgers get far too much money.

You should have to go to the dole office to collect it each week like they used to do in England. Oh and every couple of weeks they should have to meet with someone at the office and convince them that they have been looking for work and still need it!

The question would be, is your mate looking for a job? He seems to get one offered to him every 2 mins and still not working...........

[Str8 Jacket]

It'll be a dark day when the courts are allowed to order invasive surgery.

Encourage them to stop producing by getting rid of the incentives. I remember a episode of Bro Town, one of the characters was being born, and the mum said something along the lines of "this is another x dollars to our dole!". Dysgenics...

I've often thought of a licence to become a parent. It'd be too difficult to enforce though. What happens when there's an accident? Would they get taxed, or would they start ordering out abortions, etc.

Another idea was a 'public etiquette card'. Red: Disruptive, Yellow: Restricted, Green: OK. A test would decide what card you'd get. Then there'd be green card buses where you wouldn't get disturbed by the idiots, so public transport wouldn't be as bad. Though I think this delves to far into segregation.

Ah for sure mate, I dont know what the answer is! All I know is that a few of my mates have at least 3, 4 or 5 kids to different fathers just to get the benefit. I dont judge them cause they have personal issues they need to work out and have been through hell but it does make me wonder if the dole may be some kind of "incentive" type thing in some degree.... But as I say I dont live these guy's lives and dont know what they go through so I dont really know the answer at all. You cant judge someone until you've been in their shoes, that's for sure!!!!