Court Tues 27/05

[swbarnett]

if the original wheels,tyres etc are present then surely the speed can be accurate in todays modern technology era.

All measuring devises are only accurate to a point. With scientific equipment you get a certificate stating what the error is.

You could make more accurate speedometers but I don't think there'd be many people willing to pay the price.

[spudchucka]

Some pundits are full of shit. (Although lawyers may make a few $$ out of it - ya don't think the law will be changed to suit them do ya?)

Nah, its not like parliament is full of ex lawyers is it??

[swbarnett]

You'd have to produce accurate figures of how many tickets get issued in this speed range, (and others) before your propaganda would have any meaning beyond pure speculation.

I totally agree. We'll just have to wait and see. My point is that dropping ticket prices does not necessarily correspond to a drop in the overall take.

[swbarnett]

Some pundits are full of shit.

Can't argue there. Also some know what they're talking about (a bit like KB really). We'll just have to wait and see which are which.

(Although lawyers may make a few $$ out of it - ya don't think the law will be changed to suit them do ya?)

Aren't most politicians ex-lawyers?

[Gubb]

Quota is the other one that fucks me off.

Has there been any evidence of this?

[The Stranger:Me]

SEPTEMBER** excuse the typo

So you got a lawyer yet?
I know a good cheap one.

[scumdog]

So that's it? - only two options??

Apart from a pretty expensive pre-driving education sessions followed by a practical test to tp educate drivers and hence limit the liklihood of transgressions how would YOU police for bad driving?

Give rewards to good ones?

Tell off bad one?

or what??

What happened to the quote I was referring to???

[swbarnett]

So that's it? - only two options??

Apart from a pretty expensive pre-driving education sessions followed by a practical test to tp educate drivers and hence limit the liklihood of transgressions how would YOU police for bad driving?

Give rewards to good ones?

Tell off bad one?

or what??

I have no problem with telling off the bad ones. My only issue is with the criteria used to determine which are the bad and which are not.

[The Stranger:Me]

and people who ANSWER them DO, coz they done it.

That has to be the biggest load of shit I have ever seen on KB.

Ever!

[The Stranger:Me]

So that's it? - only two options??

Apart from a pretty expensive pre-driving education sessions followed by a practical test to tp educate drivers and hence limit the liklihood of transgressions how would YOU police for bad driving?

Give rewards to good ones?

Finally a glimmer of hope emerges.

Research shows that the most effective way to alter behaviour is reward and punishment

The next is reward only and lastly punishment only.

So what does the govt employ?

And they wonder why people are slow to learn. It's because the teachers (govt) are so bloody slow to learn how to teach.


Give out points, say 5 a year that your license is clean, make them tradable so they have a value i.e. give people a reward for their good behaviour.

[Patrick]

This is an excellent piece of propaganda..... With higher demerits there will be more disqualifications and more applications for work licences. This will also increase the overall fee intake.

Yeah. The Police pocket that one too....

Quota is the other one that fucks me off.

Has there been any evidence of this?

"Key Performance Indicator" - 1 ticket per hour patrolled. Call it what you like, but if you're patrolling around doing bugger all and can't produce a single ticket in 1 hour, then the bosses think you're useless. Hard to argue, really...

[NOMIS]

So you got a lawyer yet?
I know a good cheap one.

No i don't but if you could pm me detail please let me no would be great.

[Ixion]

You'd have to produce accurate figures of how many tickets get issued in this speed range, (and others) before your propaganda would have any meaning beyond pure speculation.

Why is his comment pure speculation, but yours is not?

You state that "fines are reducing". He states (correctly) that some are reducing, but others are increasing. That is not speculation it is reporting the government annoucncement. He does not have to produce any figures , he is simply reporting the government statement. Your statement is , at best, only partially correct, and thus misleading. If you mean that "all" fines are reducing, that is incorrect. If you mean that "the overall take from fines will decrease" , then you are the one purely speculating.

What CAN be accurately stated is that the government have announced that some speeding offences will attract a higher fine, some a lower one. But ALL offences will attract higher demerit points.

[scumdog]

On my last post I had clicked onto 'quote' for the post below, however the words had 'evaporated' when my post appeared on KB - what gives?

The quote:

"Not hard evidence, no.

The way I see it the situation is either one of two things: Either NZs ticket system is all about revenue collection or the politicians that we have are stupid enough to believe that this system actually has a chance of reducing the road toll.

I don't believe that our polies are that dumb so it must be the former. I could be wrong in which case we're ruled by lower IQs than I previously thought. God help us!

It would be easy to prove that revenue collection is not the aim - withdraw all ticket revenue (minus the cost of processing them if you like) as paper money and burn it. Or maybe remove the monetary value of a ticket completely. And while you're at it why not just remove the license from anyone that happens to be human and commits some minor transgression while driving. This is the way it's going. Pretty soon it won't be possible to drive because the expected standard is just not humanly possible 100% of the time. And this won't stop at driving."

[inlinefour]

Needed ? By who ? You ? That's just being a jerk. Do you wonder why you get no boyfriends ?

Sure. Are you their mommy ? Wifey ? Boyfriend ? Despite what you may think, people can think for themselves and they don't need their boyfriend on the side to speak for them.

As a general rule of thumb, you will find that general rules of thumb actually don't work that well when you take them out of your context and apply them to others, but I am not here to help you with your life. Simply be aware with me if you suggest I am full of shit you will get a very fucking clear explanation.

And quit with the name calling, its a poor, wee, stupid look, and makes you look weak, and its the final step in the cycle of violence before the decision to hit.

Sharpen up.

DB
p.s. and start being nice to your man

Cheers for clearing that up, I see that you really talk out of your arse afterall.