Why the WRB campaign is going nowhere.

[FJRider]

So? If cc are where 'it' happens, they will likely be a factor in the aftermath.


And as a dedicated, committed and safety-conscious biker...whose fault is that?

Perhaps more could/should be done to reduce "likely" cause's of accidents, rather than "likely" factors in the "aftermath".
Helen recently gave aproval for load weight increase, on some trucks, in some areas.... and not a peep out of ANYBODY.

[Mikkel]

Which is more dangerous... Cheesecutters, or UNMARKED gravel on PUBLIC sealed streets and roads. (This ALSO includes long stretches of road works with deep loose gravel.)

That is something I have been pondering lately! How easy would it not be to make grit red, blue, yellow or any other conspicious colour? Thus making it visible from a decent distance.

Find some CAGE drivers that have hit the WRB's... see what THEY say on the matter.

It's not so much that the WRB are good for cars and trucks as it's a matter of cost I believe. They are the cheap option just like chip-seal and having no formal driver training.

And it's not like it ought to end with the WRB - armco barriers that does not go all the way to the road surface are just about as bad as far as motorcyclists are concerned. Anything which is upright, rigid and bolted down is bad news when you're sliding on your arse TBH.

[dangerous]

Helen recently gave aproval for load weight increase, on some trucks, in some areas.... and not a peep out of ANYBODY.

I often drive 44T the limit is now *50T the difference is squart... trucks handling, braking abilitys these days are as good as the average car, increasing the weight was a good thing, less trucks.

Find some CAGE drivers that have hit the WRB's... see what THEY say on the matter.

Let me remind the troops again, I dont think the people in the car below have anything to say on the matter...


*50T This is only a trial in a selected area, being canty rubbish trucks going to the landfill site

[Mom]

And I'm curious to hear how WRB's could be made SAFER, maybe I missed that explanation... who else missed it ???

Curious is all good.

There are various commercial products that have been developed specifically to be retro-fitted to wire rope median barriers to make them safe for motorcyclists and other vulnerable road users.

These include:

HIASA - Spanish motorcycle protection system

BikeGuard by Highway Care (UK), manufactured by SGGT
Strassenausstattungen GmbH, Germany - listed in the UK Highways Agency 'Approved Road Restraint Systems' application list.

Moto-Shield by Prins Dokkum B.V. (Netherlands) - as fitted to median and crash barriers in the Utrecht region of Holland.

go to www.cheesecutter.co.nz

Go to the tab called barrier information and scroll down, there are links with more information on these systems there.

[MSTRS:Me]

Go to the tab called barrier information and scroll down, there are links with more information on these systems there.

Come on, Mom. Do you really think the nay-sayers are remotely interested in doing some research for themselves. Much easier to keep their narrow-minded opinion and toss barbs at those of us prepared to work for all.

[madandy]

Perhaps more could/should be done to reduce "likely" cause's of accidents, rather than "likely" factors in the "aftermath".
Helen recently gave aproval for load weight increase, on some trucks, in some areas.... and not a peep out of ANYBODY.

Ride in 2-4 lanes of hopeless traffic for a few thousand kms and witness all that could be done to reduce road carnage.
Fixing the WRB issue NOW is doable.
Fixing the attitudes of typical Kiwi raods users is gonna take a lot longer.

We can all work on our own attitudes on the roads

[Katman]

If you read what the petition is actually asking for, it clearly says a moratorium on the further installation of these things until a full safety investigation is completed. There is no request to have them removed or anything else.

Then perhaps more could be done to rein in the rabid few who call for civil disobedience and want nothing less than the complete removal of the WRBs.

[vifferman]

Then perhaps more could be done to rein in the rabid few who call for civil disobedience and want nothing less than the complete removal of the WRBs.

You perhaps do not realise that change rarely comes about by people being quiet, calm and restrained. It usually takes a few radicals on either side of an issue to bring the salient points into focus, and to create enough impetus that something actually gets done. Especially in UnZud, where the bureaucrat is king, and the general hoipolloi whinge about stuff but don't do anything to actually make stuff happen. It takes a TREMENDOUS amount of noise and pressure to get the faceless, nameless grey-suited bureaucrats to do anything. Unless of course, it's to make more rules and regulations and/or increase their own power and status.

[Katman]

You perhaps do not realise that change rarely comes about by people being quiet, calm and restrained.

Hey, you're speaking to Katman here.

[Ixion]

Then perhaps more could be done to rein in the rabid few who call for civil disobedience and want nothing less than the complete removal of the WRBs.

No indeed, because it is the noise created by the radicals that frightens the Sheeple and makes them think that maybe the more reasonable calls of the petition might be not such a bad idea.

[Mom]

Then perhaps more could be done to rein in the rabid few who call for civil disobedience and want nothing less than the complete removal of the WRBs.

Why? They have their opinions of these barriers as do I. We all are entitled to hold our own opinions. Some people feel very strongly on this issue and express themselves very forcefully. Nothing wrong with that at all.

The Campaign for Safer Barriers is very clear in its message on the petition.

EDIT: I was responding to a quote notification and did not see Ixions post above this one. That is a good reason too!

[madbikeboy]

Too busy riding like idiots, because they are to busy holding onto thier small head they think with. going ooo ooo look at me i can ride fast.

When in the meantime you are really pissing people off.

I realised something about riding, would i do such and such overttake / lane splitting etc, if a cop was there...

If my mother was in one of the cars/grandmother/father/sister.

Because i know none of those listed above would think i was cool and "riding well"

Thats what racetracks are for.

I'm glad i woke up.

It's a shame a well raised, very polite, very responsible friend of mine was the one to loose his life to a cheesecutter, i have plenty more deserving riders of having this happen to them, but i would not wish that end to my worst enemy.

There are alot of riders out there that were more deserving of this end.

I used to be one of those riders.

Only the good die young.

Mark, is this for real? This post is refreshing for me, there is hope that young and stupid grows up to be older and wiser... Humility is good for the soul.

[The Stranger:Me]

I'm not trolling, or trying to discredit anyone, but I wholeheartedly support Katman's efforts to get motorcyclists to clean up their image

You do?
Excellent!
As it is a whole hearted support, what do you propose to do about it?

Katman's is an arm chair effort, provided it doesn't take any energy or cost he is all for it.

We eagerly await your vision.

[FJRider]

Ride in 2-4 lanes of hopeless traffic for a few thousand kms and witness all that could be done to reduce road carnage.
Fixing the WRB issue NOW is doable.
Fixing the attitudes of typical Kiwi raods users is gonna take a lot longer.

We can all work on our own attitudes on the roads

THIS is why I... and many OTHERS, choose to live in the SOUTH island. Still a rat race... but the rats run a lot SLOWER.

[FJRider]

I often drive 44T the limit is now 50T the difference is squart... trucks handling, braking abilitys these days are as good as the average car, increasing the weight was a good thing, less trucks.


Let me remind the troops again, I dont think the people in the car below have anything to say on the matter...

More weight to push OTHER vehicles, including "smaller" trucks into OUR path.

I'm sure "surviving" rellie's WILL...