Training

[sinfull]

Very true indeed. Unless you're addiction is related to flattering your ego you can indeed satisfy your need for speed on the track instead of using public roads for it.
On the other hand, if it's just a matter of wanting to be faster than your mates, backup all the bullshit you let off at the lunch break or a spell of tanathos - then the track is not going to do anything for you except allow you to eventually crash at a higher speed.
Please let me know if group 3 has anything to do with ego wontcha lol



You certainly both have valid points. Could it be possible that neither of you are right or wrong? My opinion yes !!!!!


Does the track provide you with an oppotunity to improve your bike handling skills (at speed) and get to know your bike better - most definitely! Ok bling !

Does the track simulate a realistic training setting for roadriding - absolutely not. Agreed !
Will track time improve your survivability on the public roads - that very much depends upon what kind of person you are, your attitude is, your approach to track time and what you take away from it. what you take there !Personally I have no doubt that the time I have spent on the track has benefitted me greatly. I am however very conscious about not riding on the road like I do on the track. E.g. I don't hang off the bike on the public road mainly because it puts me into the wrong mindset - also it leaves me with a reserve if I all of a sudden should need to corner more sharply.
I had my two first offs on the track - which I am thankful for... Hitting the deck at 70 km/h hurts a bit - but it can be fatal if there's stuff to hit, on a track you get up, swear, pick up your bike and ride it back to the pit. Exacery my point take yr attitude to the track !!!!!!!Oh, did I forget to mention it's a lot of fun too? I mean, let's be honest - being able to go as fast as you feel comfortable with, without having to worry about the speedlimit, on-coming traffic, trucks, etc is just awesome. And it's also good exercise - you sleep really well after a long day at the track Well im a fat cunt now and ummmm ok after session 3 i might be ready for a grandad nap but let you fuckers see it lol not on ya nellly ! Finally I'd like to warmly recommend reading the thread about riding at "The Pace" here in the survival forum. I've made that my biking manifesto.

Huh?
What ?
I shift my weight into corners on the road because it gives me more reserve for the unexpected. More weight transfer = less bike lean for the same cornering speed. Asking to get looked at JR


While everything said in that 'Pace' article is quite correct, it is also one of the wankiest most up-itself wads of self-righteousness that I've ever had the displeasure of reading.

Have ya tried ? Seriously tried it ?

If ya love it fast i wont complain ! Just chase ya to see where ya really at !
Ride at the Pace and save pads, i'll ride beside ya to add a bit o flavour !
Ride like a nana or a dick head, you'll be looking for me !

[jrandom]

Have ya tried ? Seriously tried it ?

I don't feel the need to name my riding style with a proper noun.

I just ride the fucking bike.

We'll have to hook up and head out sometime!

[gunnyrob]

When I was a noob back in '87, I attended a freaking excellent course in Palmerton North run by an old cobbler (Yes, he was a cobbler) called Stan Key. Freakin excellent. Skills I learnt have kept me alive ever since.

When I got back into the fold after a long break, John Glaswell was running the BMW return to riding course. Also friggen excellent.

I want to do a "How to ride your big trailie" course so I can get the most out of my Beemer. If anyone does one in NZ, let me know & I'll sign up tomorrow.

[sinfull]

I don't feel the need to name my riding style with a proper noun.

I just ride the fucking bike. Bling !

We'll have to hook up and head out sometime!

Tonight mathew, i'm going to be in Taupo ! Tis where i want to be !
Group 3 tommorow, but it was, fit me in here somewhere peter, know i should move up but then i have nothing to prove, as has been said right through this thread. So it does not bother me what group i'm in !
Group 3 has enough bikes passing me for my liking !

Taint about speed JD tis about what ya get out of it ! I can be a nutta on the road, gimmme two or three bourbons and an absolute nutta ! Do i want that, do the PC police want that, do my kids want that, My Mrs ? Each day i learn something new !
10 yrs ago someone could have pointed a gun at me and i would have walked into it, if they hadn't shot me dead i would have shoved it where it fit and fired, Today i want to watch my grandkids ride !
Tommorrow i will pootle out there, scrub my tyre in and proceed to tire myself out ! (won't take much to wear the fat grandad out !)
Today i warmed my bike up, Saturday i will be undoubtably frustrated again ! but then thats another day ! I will be a happy little junkie !
I call it training !

[Mikkel]

Group 3 tommorow, but it was, fit me in here somewhere peter, know i should move up but then i have nothing to prove, as has been said right through this thread. So it does not bother me what group i'm in !
Group 3 has enough bikes passing me for my liking !

With regards to your comment inside what you quoted above with regards to group 3 (aka the notorious fast group at any big organised trackday) and egos.
Yes most definitely - I'd expect there to be a very high density of testosterone fueled egos in that bunch. Even more so than with the fast crowd on e.g. the Akaroa GP...
As long as they are passing you and not taking you out it's nothing to worry about though

Have a nice trackday and be safe.

[sinfull]

Have a nice trackday and be safe.

Thank you !
May you have yourself a damb fine friday also !

[Mikkel]

Thank you !
May you have yourself a damb fine friday also !

Thanks, I hope it shall be a fine day tomorrow - in that case I shall hope to perform a coup de grace on my already tired rear tyre

[Trudes]

Oh look, they've brought the love back!

[dpex]

Folks, I'm seriously heartened at the dialogue which is resulting from the poll. It's good stuff. Thank you from me and all those who have or will read the posts but don't comment.

Last night I attended a training course run by Quickchik. Mercifully, at my age, my ego is rather less strident than it was just a few years ago, thus I was able to easily take her comments. I understood them, accepted them, and acted on them. And learned a great deal.....Never again will my fingers wrap around the throttle. From now on the joint between thumb and index will operate the throttle, leaving four fingers slightly resting on the brake. I learned it took an extra half second to get fingers wrapped on the throttle to extend to grip the brake.

I also learned a lot more in another discipline she encouraged. And all this in just two hours.

I enjoy riding hard and fast. I have a very responsive bike. I accept my skills are woefully less than such a bike should expect.

So I tend to keep practicing, asking questions of all who will speak with me, and carry on testing.

There was a chap there, last night, who I fancy would prefer to remain anonymous, but was clearly very skilled. He told me, 'You learn 80% in the first six months. You learn the next 10% over the following ten years. The rest? Well, you might learn that if you live long enough.'

You see, there are still too many bikers getting trashed. We know that is the PRIMARY fault of 'other' drivers. So what do we do? Play the blame game, or upskill so we don't have to play the blame-game.

Me? I'm into upskill while dressed in wildly, hi-vis clothes.

Thanks all, for your input so far. Bring it on.

[FROSTY:Me]

The track just isn't relevant. There's no side streets, opposing traffic, enraged soccer Mums, texting truck drivers (don't get me started) or tailgating Police. It's also really, really wide. The surface doesn't change (much) between the morning and the afternoon either. attitude to the


It nearly killed me once upon a time and I'm not keen to see the myth continued.

Jim at a normal trackday I agree with you. It is a good place in my opinion to get familiar with a bike in a "safe' enviroment as many people have found out Other than that yes its a place to let rip and have fun again in a "safe" enviroment.
BUT --I disagree that a racetrack is the wrong venue (location) for rider training.
Every reason you have given for it being a bad place to conduct rider training to me is a bloody good reason TO conduct said training there.
Its a controled enviroment where with instruction you can practice survival skills that might just keep you alive WHEN the truck is heading across his lane at you.

[Katman]

You see, there are still too many bikers getting trashed. We know that is the PRIMARY fault of 'other' drivers.

No it's not.

[Ixion]

IMNSHO, experience riding 'off road' (ie rough, trail riding) is better training for road riding than track riding. Because off road riding (I'm not talking moto-x) is inherently unpredictable; and forces the rider to learn how things happen near the limits, because the limits are so much more easily reached.

About the only thing track riding will teach that is of any value on the road, is confidence in tyres and brakes But it is at a cost that is excessive for many (most?) of those who try it. Having learned how to go round corners fats at the track, it would be a rare novice who could refrain from putting those same skillz into practice on the road.

Except that the road has all those nasty things that the binary gentleman specified. And knowing that your tyres will hold at extreme angles is not much help when you encounter Harry Huriup on the wrong side of the road in a blind corner.

It's a pity we don't have a motorcycle equivalent of a skid pan. A nice slippery bumpy , surface, with gravel and suchlike liberally bestrewn, and screens to hide what is round the corner. THAT would be useful training. But I suspect that very very few motorcyclists would be interested.

[Jantar]

....It's a pity we don't have a motorcycle equivalent of a skid pan. A nice slippery bumpy , surface, with gravel and suchlike liberally bestrewn, and screens to hide what is round the corner. THAT would be useful training. But I suspect that very very few motorcyclists would be interested.

We do! Its called The Dunstan Trail. And one hell of a lot of fun to ride on road tyres.

[Ocean1]

We do! Its called The Dunstan Trail. And one hell of a lot of fun to ride on road tyres.

Yup, was going to say that describes the Mungatuk valley perfectly.

[James Deuce]

Jim at a normal trackday I agree with you. It is a good place in my opinion to get familiar with a bike in a "safe' enviroment as many people have found out Other than that yes its a place to let rip and have fun again in a "safe" enviroment.
BUT --I disagree that a racetrack is the wrong venue (location) for rider training.
Every reason you have given for it being a bad place to conduct rider training to me is a bloody good reason TO conduct said training there.
Its a controled enviroment where with instruction you can practice survival skills that might just keep you alive WHEN the truck is heading across his lane at you.

Just like everyone else you can't bloody read!

I never said it was a bad place to conduct rider training. Ever. Not once. It just doesn't happen there. A track day is not a training session. Going there with the intent of turning in quicker and quicker laps is not a training session. The last training session I went on that included track time was with Alan Kirk in about '89.

Show me an accredited course run by qualified and endorsed trainers. A track day is Fun Park experience not a road riders training session.

Dan you'll be surprised what you get to see and experience over the next couple of decades. I only hope you get to experience the gut wrenching disappointment of having your own personal experience devalued and have scorn and vitriol poured on it because you're old and useless. Schadenfreude is about the only emotion I experience with any depth these days. Pity I won't be around to see the day when you finally realise that no one actually gives a shit.