Biker runs from cops

[jrandom]

And bikers don't?

All things considered, I think a trackday is a far cleaner buzz.

[FJRider]

Hard not to agree, but im talking about current law in THIS country.

The thing that really pisses me off to no end is how easy it is to get a license in this country, it's a bloody joke!

There are are a lot more "hoops to jump through" to get a drivers/motorcycle licence nowdays, than there were in MY youth. ATTITUDE's of licence holders... at all stages, need to change before, any law is changed.
The "revenue gathering" will increase, if there is an increase in licence holders that believe they can get away with ignoring the laws.

[Patrick]

You make it sound almost as though you take it personally. There's a lot of irritation behind that post.

Dunno where you get that idea from, nothing personal at all.

Just that the courts treat pursuits so pathetically, but the end results "can" be so huge, so I guess the courts are saying that pursuits are not a problem of any sort, whatsoever.... A strange message they are sending out, is all......

[jrandom]

Just that the courts treat pursuits so pathetically, but the end results "can" be so huge, so I guess the courts are saying that pursuits are not a problem of any sort, whatsoever.... A strange message they are sending out, is all......

I concur. Until I heard otherwise, I always assumed that failing to stop would garner a hefty penalty. It's fookin weird that it doesn't.

Dunno about long jail sentences though.

What's the usual penalty for resisting arrest?

[candor]

really? where does this stat come from?

Pursuit expert Geoff Alpert. If interested it's somewhere on the pursuitwatch website which welcomes LEO's.

[Patrick]

I concur. Until I heard otherwise, I always assumed that failing to stop would garner a hefty penalty. It's fookin weird that it doesn't.

Dunno about long jail sentences though.

What's the usual penalty for resisting arrest?

Pepper spray on the goolies....

[Ixion]

... In Countries with lax policies allowing excess high speed chases (like NZ) 1-2% of chases end in a death - often the driver, next most often innocents, and many more in those serious injuries NZ has too many of. Chases overall UP the harm - they do not on average reduce the risk posed by a dodgy driver. The people least at risk from them are cops.

In places like Toronto with restrictive chase policies (eg don't chase speeders or young drivers or seriously impaired drivers or discontinue close range chase if the driving is dangerous - that includes the cops eg on undivided highway or getting real fast and furious)... the chase toll was zero in recent years. And there wa no reduction in convictions for serious offences. ...

That is interesting. DO you have a source?

[jrandom]

Pepper spray on the goolies....

[Ixion]

Read the back of the documents that you get given. You have rights to due process, all in writing on the back....

You could say the same thing about someone who gets arrested and taken to the cells. They get locked up without being convicted...

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Which is why wrongful arrest is a serious offence. Not just an administrative inconvenience. There is no corresponding offence of "wrongful licence confiscation". And due process is meaningless in this case since by the time the confiscation is deemed unlawful the 28 days will have expired anyway. Like the boy racer laws , it is a law that in practice amounts to summary (in)justice , and is used by the police to "punish" at will.

[Boob Johnson]

But even though it is so easy and in comparison, dirt cheap in this country, the lazy arses still don't go and get one, they merely drive around without one... At $2000 a pop, this would only increase.

I'm more focusing on the lack of any real training ie a defense driving/riding course is NOT compulsory <---- WTF???


I agree with Katman also about recommending it to anyone, it's a decision only the individual can make at the time. I will never suggest to anyone they should do it. My point as mentioned is I can totally understand why people even consider it when they once might not have, ie prior to the obvious revenue collecting

[Boob Johnson]

There are are a lot more "hoops to jump through" to get a drivers/motorcycle licence nowdays, than there were in MY youth. ATTITUDE's of licence holders... at all stages, need to change before, any law is changed.

If that is the case they then they must have been a give away in weetbix boxs then because I recently sat my full, what a bloody joke. I even said to the guy (after he passed me he he)

"do you think this test makes me capable of riding what's currently in my garage"

And of course the answer was no, shit even the testers knows its a bloody joke.

The "revenue gathering" will increase, if there is an increase in licence holders that believe they can get away with ignoring the laws.

Interesting theory. And thus the cycle continues.

[Grahameeboy]

Times change. The moment it gets dangerous or risky, that is it. Comms WIL call it off, if the driver or his partner haven't already done so.

Initially though, doing nothing sends a completely wrong message. Some "chases" end without incident, moments later after the brain fart cleared.

The lawmakers say that failing to stop (pursuit) is a maximum $10,000 fine only. I have yet to see a punishing conviction of any kind for this offence. It is always convicted and discharged - no penalty at all.... That will learn em. Pffftttt....

Make the penaly extremely harsh. Make em become bubbas cell mate. For quite some time.......

But surely any chase is risky...at what point does it start "safe"...

[spudchucka]

I concur. Until I heard otherwise, I always assumed that failing to stop would garner a hefty penalty. It's fookin weird that it doesn't.

Dunno about long jail sentences though.

What's the usual penalty for resisting arrest?

Failing to stop should be a mandatory 3 months jail.

Resisting Arrest = convicted & discharged (no penalty - usually).

[spudchucka]

There is no corresponding offence of "wrongful licence confiscation".

You could possibly take out a civil case.

[scumdog]

Which is why wrongful arrest is a serious offence. Not just an administrative inconvenience. There is no corresponding offence of "wrongful licence confiscation". And due process is meaningless in this case since by the time the confiscation is deemed unlawful the 28 days will have expired anyway. Like the boy racer laws , it is a law that in practice amounts to summary (in)justice , and is used by the police to "punish" at will.

Soooo...you know of a better system??

That is just yet allows immediate action??