Lane splitting at motorway on-ramps with lights?

[Blue4]

Two questions actually:

1. Is it wrong to travel up between cars waiting at lights at motorway on ramps? Problem is when you get to the front, assuming you wait for the green light when one vehicle from each lane can go, you are taking the place of one of the cars that was already waiting there. So do you take the place of a car OR is it acceptable to travel through with two cars???

2. The transit lane at Mt. Wellington on ramp. Can bikes use this? Legally?

[The Pastor]

no and no.

infact you should never lane split.

better sell your bike actually.

also never speed.

[Ragingrob]

1. It's not wrong to travel up between cars waiting at lights at motorway onramps, but yeah it's a bitch when ya get to the front huh. I usually just take off slightly ahead or behind the guys that are up front. Cause you can't really get to the front and stop, you'll get run over... And you can't really stop behind the front cars cause you're taking a whole other car's place.

2. Safer than splitting up the middle! But seriously, what's the signage say?

[Ixion]

Two questions actually:

1. Is it wrong to travel up between cars waiting at lights at motorway on ramps? Problem is when you get to the front, assuming you wait for the green light when one vehicle from each lane can go, you are taking the place of one of the cars that was already waiting there. So do you take the place of a car OR is it acceptable to travel through with two cars???

2. The transit lane at Mt. Wellington on ramp. Can bikes use this? Legally?

For BRONZ

We discussed this with Transit.

Answer to the second (Mt Wellington priority lane) is unequivocal yes. Ditto for other priority lanes. If a cop pulls you on the Mt Wellington lane, tell him politely to suck donkey dick.

Lane splitting is a 'depends'. We asked, Transit dude said , basically , " We don't mind, we figure you're going to do it anyway, we won't set the cops on you, but if a cop sees you doing it and doesn't like it, that's down to you". So, pretty much the same as any lanesplitting.

I just split through to the front, remain in 1a then when the light goes green , full gauntlet. By the time the cars start rolling I'm way out front. If you time it right you can just roll on through as the light changes.

[PrincessBandit]

Perhaps you should ask yourself "would I do this if one of those 2 cars waiting at the red was a patrol car". I'm sure one of our resident law-enforcers can elucidate on the legality (as opposed to the practicality) of it.

[PrincessBandit]

Ah Ixion, you just beat my post in as i was hitting submit

[Ragingrob]

For BRONZ

We discussed this with Transit.

Answer to the second (Mt Wellington priority lane) is unequivocal yes. Ditto for other priority lanes. If a cop pulls you on the Mt Wellington lane, tell him politely to suck donkey dick.

Lane splitting is a 'depends'. We asked, Transit dude said , basically , " We don't mind, we figure you're going to do it anyway, we won't set the cops on you, but if a cop sees you doing it and doesn't like it, that's down to you". So, pretty much the same as any lanesplitting.

I just split through to the front, remain in 1a then when the light goes green , full gauntlet. By the time the cars start rolling I'm way out front. If you time it right you can just roll on through as the light changes.

Very interesting! So the Stanly st onramp just down by uni splits to two lanes with onramp lights, but there is a "truck lane", I am legally entitled to use this?

I mean, seems fair enough, I always feel stupid splitting between cars when there's an empty lane I could cruise down and be outta everyone's way

[Ixion]

Very interesting! So the Stanly st onramp just down by uni splits to two lanes with onramp lights, but there is a "truck lane", I am legally entitled to use this?

I mean, seems fair enough, I always feel stupid splitting between cars when there's an empty lane I could cruise down and be outta everyone's way

Ah. The truck lane. That's technically different to the priority lane. The priority lane is defined in law. The truck lane is a Transit invention. Using it would be the same as lane splitting. Probably noone cares but if a cop gets shitty you can't tell him piss off I am legally entitled to use this lane (as you can on the priority lane).

[Swoop]

Perhaps you should ask yourself "would I do this if one of those 2 cars waiting at the red was a patrol car".

So the answer is obviously "yes".

Wish some of the riders would think the same when filtering on the M-way.

[vifferman]

Who cares. Those onramp lights are bollix. I make a point of ignoring them in the car, and when on the bike, I split to the front and go. If the two cars choose to also go, then that's their fault.
I think it's reprehensible that Transit (or whoever) instituted the things: they don't help congestion, just stuff it back onto urban streets. At times the motorway has really light traffic, yet the on-ramp lights are on, hindering motorists' travel. Do we really pay exorbitant road tax so Transit can make our lives more miserable? I thought it was supposed to be spent to make the roads better, not worse!

[UberRhys]

Two questions actually:

1. Is it wrong to travel up between cars waiting at lights at motorway on ramps? Problem is when you get to the front, assuming you wait for the green light when one vehicle from each lane can go, you are taking the place of one of the cars that was already waiting there. So do you take the place of a car OR is it acceptable to travel through with two cars???

2. The transit lane at Mt. Wellington on ramp. Can bikes use this? Legally?

For BRONZ

We discussed this with Transit.

Answer to the second (Mt Wellington priority lane) is unequivocal yes. Ditto for other priority lanes. If a cop pulls you on the Mt Wellington lane, tell him politely to suck donkey dick.

Lane splitting is a 'depends'. We asked, Transit dude said , basically , " We don't mind, we figure you're going to do it anyway, we won't set the cops on you, but if a cop sees you doing it and doesn't like it, that's down to you". So, pretty much the same as any lanesplitting.

I just split through to the front, remain in 1a then when the light goes green , full gauntlet. By the time the cars start rolling I'm way out front. If you time it right you can just roll on through as the light changes.

Ah. The truck lane. That's technically different to the priority lane. The priority lane is defined in law. The truck lane is a Transit invention. Using it would be the same as lane splitting. Probably noone cares but if a cop gets shitty you can't tell him piss off I am legally entitled to use this lane (as you can on the priority lane).

Excellent info Ixion. Now just got to avoid the "shirty" cops whilst splitting lanes...

As for the Transit invention - do they really mean anything? Is this similar to the maori school bus that has a sign saying KURA (which I later found out ment school bus)? According to Transit "KURA" is an illegal sign. Here is a story which ran in the local paper about the confusion it has created...

[CookMySock]

Probably noone cares but if a cop gets shitty you can't tell him piss off I am legally entitled to use this lane (as you can on the priority lane).

You can tell him that anyway, and he will likely blink at you and let you go, even if you KNOW that its illegal.

I had one cop stop me, and he had absolutely no idea that a GDLS exemption even existed. I told him all about it, and he frowned and let me go (I didn't have my papers on me) but my story could have been complete bullshit.


Steve

[Waxxa]

I dont even stop for those lights. I lane-split and keep going. My belief is that it is safer for me on a mbike to keep moving than stay in queue and risk some cager not paying attention (txt) and bang into me.

The T2 lanes (not priority/multi-occupant lanes) which are being introduced to our motorways are illegal for motorbikes, I believe.

[Gremlin]

The T2 lanes (not priority/multi-occupant lanes) which are being introduced to our motorways are illegal for motorbikes, I believe.

As far as I know (unless Transhit is now really splitting hairs) T2 IS a priority lane...

onramp lanes... its a priority lane, lanes on the actual motorway, pass... illegal to travel in bus lanes

[Mully]

I think it's reprehensible that Transit (or whoever) instituted the things: they don't help congestion, just stuff it back onto urban streets. At times the motorway has really light traffic, yet the on-ramp lights are on, hindering motorists' travel. Do we really pay exorbitant road tax so Transit can make our lives more miserable? I thought it was supposed to be spent to make the roads better, not worse!

I discussed this with someone not long ago. Transit are measured on the flow on the motorway, so if they stuff up the feeder roads (which they do) then they don't give a flying monkey's. That's the local council's issue.

Which is why Transit (or whatever the fuck they are called now) are in love with the bastard things.