When bikers kill bikers.

**madbikeboy** · 5th January 2009, 08:17

Originally Posted by dipshit

I myself would like to see motorcyclists own up to the fact that three-quarters of fatal motorcycle accidents were the fault of the rider... rather than blaming everything on everybody else. Many around here do actually think most motorcycle accidents are caused by car drivers. (and people like Jantar go hands over ears "no no no, this can't be true!)

Realising this may hopefully see more riders taking less risks on the roads and take more responsibility for their own safety.

I would also like to see the culture and attitude of faster = better, slowly get replaced with a bike culture and attitude that less carnage and fuckups = better. Less egotistical dick measuring "I am faster than you - therefore I am better than you" replaced with discipline and self-control and it doesn't matter how long it takes so long as I get there mentality.

It's about the space your head more than anything. "Skills" are worthless unless you have your head sorted first.

I'll repeat the question again, you've stated what needs to be achieved, and I don't disagree with you or Steve - HOW do you effect the change?

**Number One** · 5th January 2009, 08:38

Originally Posted by madbikeboy

you've stated what needs to be achieved, and I don't disagree with you or Steve - HOW do you effect the change?

Easy...THEY Katman & Dipshit DON'T

FWIW - I thought James Dueces thread on the similar topic and theme far more convincing and thought provoking than any of the twaddle that spills forth from those two. I only read to have a giggle actually..though there are some well thought out responses now and then too (from other KBs)

Not all motorcyclists are bad bad road users and those that are won't give two shits what K or D think of them for it NOR would they probably bother listening or reading either.

**Katman** · 5th January 2009, 09:16

Originally Posted by Fatjim

For example the number of "cager didn't see me" threads vastly outnumber the "I was going to fast for the corner" threads.

That's because it's fashionable to blame "cagers". Not many on here openly admit to coming off because they were "going too fast for the corner".

Which brings me to another point. How much worse would the stats be if all the single motorcycle accidents were reported instead of missing out those that the rider is too embarrassed to admit to?

**Badjelly** · 5th January 2009, 09:33

Originally Posted by Katman

Which brings me to another point. How much worse would the stats be if all the single motorcycle accidents were reported instead of missing out those that the rider is too embarrassed to admit to?

Uh oh. I can think of a few in that category.

Probably a bit late to report them now.

**Jantar** · 5th January 2009, 09:35

Originally Posted by Katman

....Which brings me to another point. How much worse would the stats be if all the single motorcycle accidents were reported instead of missing out those that the rider is too embarrassed to admit to?

They would be much worse if even the reported non-injury accidents were included. The data available only includes injury accidents, as these must be reported to the police. Non injury accidents where there is no damage to any third party property do not have to be reported, so are not included.

This applys to all classes of vehicles, not just motorcycles.

**mister.koz** · 5th January 2009, 09:41

Originally Posted by Hitcher

I've got an idea.

Let's take responsibility for our own actions.

Hit the nail on the head really.

Not to mention actions that are not our own but are avoidable.

**Ixion** · 5th January 2009, 10:31

Originally Posted by Katman

That's because it's fashionable to blame "cagers". Not many on here openly admit to coming off because they were "going too fast for the corner".

Which brings me to another point. How much worse would the stats be if all the single motorcycle accidents were reported instead of missing out those that the rider is too embarrassed to admit to?

Comparatively, we'd probably be better off. Most bike crashes do get reported , especially in urban areas, simply because some kind soul always calls an ambulance, which makes the crash an injury crash , even if the conclusion is "you're fine a bit shaken up".

Whereas the majority of cage crashes , ranging from the supermarket carpark ding to the minor nose to tail don't get officially reported.

So more cage crashes go under the radar (proportionately) than bike crashes

**Fatjim** · 5th January 2009, 10:34

A good point.

But, and I'm not disagreeing with you, because an off on a motorcycle usually ends up with some sort of injury then this they should be reported, however, the stats should be interpreted as such as well. Not, as in this case, cause unnecessary hysteria on the part of some people.

**Usarka** · 5th January 2009, 11:50

Originally Posted by Katman

Open your eyes Mike. Regardless of whether you think they sound great, we are being watched. Others think our stats are bad (and I don't disagree) and their opinion will count for more than yours or mine.

Yes we are being watched. They are reading KB.

However you are aggressively airing your views in such a way as to get strong negative feedback which is completely counter to what you want them to be seeing.

IE - You are partly responsible for peoples negative views on motorcyclists.

Captain engage ignore, warp factor now. Here's one biker that agrees we need to buck up our ideas, but isn't listening to you anymore....

**Katman** · 5th January 2009, 12:05

Originally Posted by Usarka

Yes we are being watched. They are reading KB.

However you are aggressively airing your views in such a way as to get strong negative feedback which is completely counter to what you want them to be seeing.

I disagree.

If more motorcyclists were to make it publicly clear that there are many of us that take this issue very seriously I believe it would work very much in our favour.

(And if you're suggesting I'm being aggressive in this thread I'd recommend you get yourself some HTFU pills).

**Fatjim** · 5th January 2009, 13:13

Mate, do you actually read other peoples posts? He's put you on ignore!

**Katman** · 5th January 2009, 14:57

Originally Posted by Fatjim

Mate, do you actually read other peoples posts? He's put you on ignore!

Do you seriously think he'll be able to resist peeking?

**The Pastor** · 5th January 2009, 14:58

Originally Posted by Katman

KiwiBiker is full of motorcyclists who believe that their greatest enemy on the road is car drivers.

When will we start to realise that it is ourselves that have the greatest potential to be our own worst enemy?

same shit differnt day!

**Sully60** · 5th January 2009, 15:22

Originally Posted by dipshit

the SV allows me to travel without costing a small fortune in petrol. Even if I am only cruising along at 110kph it still beats being in a car any day.

So why do you feel the need to ride a 1000 rather than a 650?
The 650 does all of those things and still has a nice flexible engine, why the need for the extra 350ccs?

What was that about "measurement"?