When bikers kill bikers.

[scumdog]

I'd lay heavy odds that the woman doesn't see one boy racer a year. To such as her anyone who does not subscribe to their dreary insipid beige Corolla world (with new washing machine the highlight of her year) , and drives a car, is a boy racer.

It is the bleating of the sheeple : "waah weah boy racer waah waah bikies waah waah". There is nothing any of us can do about it. So I ignore it as I ignore many other things that I wish were not so, but which I can do nothing about. To silence her bleating would be to abandon and deny everything that makes life worth living for me (and many other bikers). Not just bikes of course: she and her sisters have many many other things they go 'waah waah" about and which they would insist we abandon - principally anything that is joyful, fun or liberating.

But people of that ilk vote - and they are numerous, and they very likely can be duped by vote-catching (and job assuring) politicians who utter the appealing rhetoric at the above voter..

And I bet that type out-number those who ride motorbikes - who also care to keep an eye on politics and law-changes.

[98tls]

And I imagine that sentiment is being echoed across the country by residents of every stretch of road that is heavily frequented by motorcyclists.

It stuns me that there still are motorcyclists who don't see that there's any problem.

Possibly cause we live in a country where its acceptable to live in the same street as p-houses and do nothing,hey ive even read threads on here where guys are living next door to people abusing there partners and children but still they do nothing.

[PirateJafa]

What a load of shit Ixion. Nobody's asking you to abandon anything. I hate to burst your bubble but I don't imagine you are one of the motorcyclists that are creating the problem.

Are you kidding? Even I can't keep up with Ixion through the twisties, and he does the meanest skids I've yet seen. And his car goes "Omph Omph Omph" when he drives around.

He is truely someone we can all aspire to be more like.

[Ixion]

Really?

To be mentioned in the same breath as boy racers doesn't concern you at all?

Considering the attention and legislation that boy racers have attracted over recent years, it should.

What a load of shit Ixion. Nobody's asking you to abandon anything. I hate to burst your bubble but I don't imagine you are one of the motorcyclists that are creating the problem.

Seems to me you are.

But my point is that if every motorcyclist that ever went through that village (or whatever it is) went through in the most exemplary fashion, observing every road rule and tenet of courtesy, with engine muffled to the point of inaudibility, she would still whinge and complain.

You are arguing that all of us (because your strictures are directed to us all) must in some way change to suit her bigotry. I decline to do so.

If I were riding through the village I would (I hope) do so at a reasonable pace (ie , quite slow). I say I hope because I do not know the area. It is possible that this place consists of two holiday homes both half a kilometre from the road, and the riders do not even realise they are there. I have seen that before. A couple of houses, the road posted for 100kph , and the inhabitants bitch. But, even there if asked by whatever means I would slow down. It is a simple courtesy. But I do not for a moment imagine that would satisfy her.

Our very presence is an insult to such people as her, because, just by being on the road, we manifestly reject the narrow bigotries and shallow conventions upon which their lives are based. They hate us, always have , always will, and nothing whatsoever we might do will change that.

[Katman]

But my point is that if every motorcyclist that ever went through that village (or whatever it is) went through in the most exemplary fashion, observing every road rule and tenet of courtesy, with engine muffled to the point of inaudibility, she would still whinge and complain.



Our very presence is an insult to such people as her, because, just by being on the road, we manifestly reject the narrow bigotries and shallow conventions upon which their lives are based. They hate us, always have , always will, and nothing whatsoever we might do will change that.

Bullshit.

Sorry Ixion, but if you are an indication of what BRONZ can offer us then BRONZ is as useless as tits on a nun.

[dipshit]

So why do you feel the need to ride a 1000 rather than a 650?
The 650 does all of those things and still has a nice flexible engine, why the need for the extra 350ccs?

What was that about "measurement"?

Nope, the shop insisted I take the 1000. "Oh go on sir, it's only another measly $500"

I did think the 650 would be fine and intended to buy one, but the salesman pointed out that the 1000 was only $500 more. I questioned running costs and he said there wouldn't be much difference.

At least I knew I wanted a V-twin that wasn't a full on sports bike and would be more happy to cruise along than a il4 that encourages you to wind them out to get the grin factor.

P.S.. I also didn't want a cruiser. I wanted a decent handling bike that would have plenty in reserve should I need it. Don't want to find myself too hot into a corner yet the running boards are already scraping!

[dipshit]

same shit differnt day!

Same shit differnt day...

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...ad.php?t=89315

[dipshit]

I'll repeat the question again, you've stated what needs to be achieved, and I don't disagree with you or Steve - HOW do you effect the change?

By encouraging a change in attitude.

If speaking up only gets a couple of people to think about it, then at least it is a start.

[Blossom]

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My attitude isn't perfect, but most would agree that not doing most of the above is a good start. I for one would like to see drunk driver's vehicles impounded and crushed for a first offence - but I'm biased, I view the empty places at my Christmas dinner table with less joy than all of you who haven't been affected by drunk drivers. My attitude clearly stinks.

your attitude is fine.............

if someone drink drives.........they lose the vehicle.........shouldn't matter whose it is..........burn it.crushit.sell it. blowitup.............people would think way harder if there were actual real consequences to them drink driving.

[YellowDog]

Yup, perceived peer pressure has a huge influence. A lot of us can ride badly without any encouragment, be it real of psycological.

[98tls]

By encouraging a change in attitude.

If speaking up only gets a couple of people to think about it, then at least it is a start.

Mate for a $1 a day you could make a real difference.

[Elysium]

Seems to me you are.

But my point is that if every motorcyclist that ever went through that village (or whatever it is) went through in the most exemplary fashion, observing every road rule and tenet of courtesy, with engine muffled to the point of inaudibility, she would still whinge and complain.

People like her remind me of those idiots who bought million dollar apartments in Auckland or somewhere and complained about a church that's been sitting near for a hundred years ringing it's bell on a Sunday.

[Hitcher]

To be mentioned in the same breath as boy racers doesn't concern you at all?

I am not so insecure as to allow myself to be labeled by others' prejudices.

[Katman]

I am not so insecure as to allow myself to be labeled by others' prejudices.

Read this slowly........

What about if someone else (someone whose job it is to make rules and regulations) labels you as such?

(This is like trying to teach algebra to a special needs class sometimes).

[Ixion]

People like her remind me of those idiots who bought million dollar apartments in Auckland or somewhere and complained about a church that's been sitting near for a hundred years ringing it's bell on a Sunday.

Not entirely. I suspect that in her case the church has been ringing its bell more often (figuratively speaking)

What she wants of course is that there should be no traffic through her little patch. Which is what we all want. All of us would like it if the road we live on was closed to traffic, except, of course, for our own vehicles. It would be so much quieter, children could safely play on the road etc etc (and , indeed, I recall as a very small boy , a world where that was the case - a dozen vehicles went down to the wharf each morning, a dozen came back each evening and the rest of the day there was never a vehicle to be seen ). But the world today is not like that. And we must all put up with the pressures and stresses inherent in modern society.

She blames "boy racers" and "mad bikies" for reckless behaviour. But it is unrealistic and impractical for the car drivers and motorcyclists to be expected to disappear. Not to use the road at all (or , of course , any road , because every road has such a polemicist ).

I think there is a very telling point in that letter. She says that the police are unable to take any action against these reckless riders and drivers because " There are not enough straights to calibrate their instruments". Which is complete nonsense of course. I can just see, in my minds eye the hapless constable on the 'phone, hand over the mouth piece "Sarge, it's that dreadful woman again, complaining AGAIN about the traffic. She wants to know why we are not locking them all up. What can I say , I'm almost deaf with her shrieking". "Oh, f' blankety - tell her there isn't a enough straight bits to calibrate the equipment. Maybe that will shut her up". Clearly the police do not take her complaints seriously. That says much.
So why should I, we, any of us, be expected to amend our lives to suit her bigotry?

If reasonable people make a reasonable complaint about unreasonable behaviour I will amend my own , where necessary and encourage others to do likewise. I do not think that is the case here . Mr Katman has chosen a bad example to berate us with.