New boy racer legislation

[Tony]

Tony I just don't think your system would work mate, it's too relaxed and easy to work around.

the suggested legislation is worse though.

Dave I think 'relaxed' needs to be the tone to solve the problem.

I am curious what might be the possible work arounds. I am keen to hear suggestions. I think one of the attractions to the "Tony' restrictions is the ease of policing them.

Here i how I think the "Tony" restrictions" could be simply policed.

1. If your caught driving a car your not licensed to drive the vehicle is confiscated on the spot and towed to a holding yard. If you can't defend your actions in court the car is crushed.

2. If someone is caught driving your car it still gets confiscated and crushed - unless it was stolen. In which case the driver is charged with theft as well as a breach of license conditions (They can be jailed for theft).

3. Insurance companies are advised not to ensure vehicles over 1350cc to drivers under 20 years of age who can't produce an exemption certificate.

4. Insurance companies are advised not to pay out for claims by owners for vehicles driven by drivers who are not licensed to drive them.

5. Obviously drivers less than 20 years old won't be able to register vehicles over 1350cc

6. Because the law is simple to understand and the costs are significant to their children some parents will police their own children.

7. If the vehicle is suspected of engine mods e.g modified exhausts and mufflers (they will be defined as part of the engine) are easy to spot and a quick look under the bonnet in some cases will reveal headers, turbos (turbos are not allowed - under the Tony restrictions), after market air filters, Nitrous kits. the car will be confiscated and impounded and crushed. If the officer suspects internal modifications but can't see any evidence then the benefit of the doubt goes to the car driver.

[JMemonic]

Mate, if you need a hand, why don't you ask?

Thankfully the members of my family who had this happen are no longer in a position to worry but that does not remove the problem for others, some in rural areas that are suffering from the actions of these idiots.

The media in this case are not making things look worse than they are, perhaps they look safer and better in some cases, and people are becoming too afraid to report the intimidation to the police.

[JMemonic]

fuck off its my statement and im sticking to it

Ok, I guess that is how you feel, life has introduced me to some asshole cops, but also some dam good genuine people doing a difficult jobs in hellish circumstances.

[rastuscat]

why the fuck do they need to make another bullshit law to deal with these fuckwits? what is wrong with using the dangerous driving, speeding, drunk driving, assualt, etc laws that already exist.

there is going to be so many variations of basically the same type of law soon, that the coppers are going to have to have fuckin lawyers degrees to work out which one to apply.

they need to simplify the existing laws and apply them properly instead of inventing new ones.

Sorry chap, the laws you quote all are dependent on identifying the individual who broke the law. 18 months ago I was in the middle of a crowd of Boy Racers in McLeans Island Road. I was dealing with one of their number who had been doing a huge burnout. I was dealing with that individual when the bottle shower started. We ducked for cover, and I can tell you there was no way we could identify who had thrown the bottles.

Trying to control a mob with the laws that exist today is impossible. I don't like having to solve problems by having new laws passed, but what we have today just doesn't even start to solve this problem.

[Robbo]

To make a law like this work they will have to crush their cars with them still inside them!

I could vote for something like that. John.

Well done John. This has been the best suggestion so far and it will certainly stop re-offending. The Boy Racers, as they are being refered to, have had more than enough time to pull their heads in and to start acting like mature and responsible citizens but unfortunately there are still a number of them who have evolved into total arseholes with no respect for anybody or anything.
Why should you and i or anybody have to put up with the crap that they create. The answer is "We Should'nt" So Burn the bastards and crush their cars. I'm sure it won't take long for the message to get accross then.

[Ixion]

Sorry chap, the laws you quote all are dependent on identifying the individual who broke the law. 18 months ago I was in the middle of a crowd of Boy Racers in McLeans Island Road. I was dealing with one of their number who had been doing a huge burnout. I was dealing with that individual when the bottle shower started. We ducked for cover, and I can tell you there was no way we could identify who had thrown the bottles.

Trying to control a mob with the laws that exist today is impossible. I don't like having to solve problems by having new laws passed, but what we have today just doesn't even start to solve this problem.

And how would hasher demerit points for speeding (one of the police proposals) have helped you there?

The problem is , that almost everyone supports giving the police whatever they need to sort out shit like what you are describing. But, once granted , those powers won't be limited to those sort of situations. The present "boy racer" laws, enacted purportedly specficially to deal with boy racers are now used , by an enormous predominance, in situations where there are no boy racers involved.

[mark247]

Sorry chap, the laws you quote all are dependent on identifying the individual who broke the law. 18 months ago I was in the middle of a crowd of Boy Racers in McLeans Island Road. I was dealing with one of their number who had been doing a huge burnout. I was dealing with that individual when the bottle shower started. We ducked for cover, and I can tell you there was no way we could identify who had thrown the bottles.

Trying to control a mob with the laws that exist today is impossible. I don't like having to solve problems by having new laws passed, but what we have today just doesn't even start to solve this problem.

The only thing that would fix that is having more police there in my opinion.

[Skyryder]

And how would hasher demerit points for speeding (one of the police proposals) have helped you there?

The problem is , that almost everyone supports giving the police whatever they need to sort out shit like what you are describing. But, once granted , those powers won't be limited to those sort of situations. The present "boy racer" laws, enacted purportedly specficially to deal with boy racers are now used , by an enormous predominance, in situations where there are no boy racers involved.

That's why there needs to be a expiray clause built in.

Skyryder

[Max Preload]

Sorry chap, the laws you quote all are dependent on identifying the individual who broke the law. 18 months ago I was in the middle of a crowd of Boy Racers in McLeans Island Road. I was dealing with one of their number who had been doing a huge burnout. I was dealing with that individual when the bottle shower started. We ducked for cover, and I can tell you there was no way we could identify who had thrown the bottles.

Trying to control a mob with the laws that exist today is impossible. I don't like having to solve problems by having new laws passed, but what we have today just doesn't even start to solve this problem.

So what you want is a law that means you don't have to identify the culprit. Sounds fair.

[Pedrostt500]

Crushing cars isnt the answer, its a knee jerk reaction, There are currently enough laws on the books to deal with most situations, and the ones who are over 20? you make bad asumptions that it is the under 20s that are the root of the problem. what about alcohol fueled 20s 30s and 40s, you start crushing cars then finance for any vechicle for any person gets harder, who would invest in a finance company that loaned to car yards Period, if cars got crushed.
keep in mind that these laws will be applied to Motorcyclests just as fast as they would be to boy racers.
Where I see the root of the problem is in the justice system that allows people to rack up tens of thousands of dollars in fines, to be paid back at $5 per week, its a laugh to a youngster who knows he can go and trade the lot off for a few hours of comunity service. You crush his car he defaults on his loan, gets slapped with oh no yet another fine, and adds it to the rest to be paid off at $5 per week or to be traded off against comunity service.
So who realy looses out here, its those who have struggled to save a nest egg, invested it, to find that the security that was a car on a $15000 loan has been crushed and is now only worth $25, ( keep in mind the arse has fallen out of the scrap meatal markets).
Start handing out life time bans from driving and owning vechicles, impound the cars that they drive allow the courts and finance companies to reclaim their money and if there is any over donate it to charity.
Those who choose to drive with out a licence, have the car that they are caught driving , the owner of the vechicle is notified, and if the vechicle owner is unaware that the driver does not have a licence, then the driver gets charged with theft, if the driver is caught driving the same vechicle a second time then the vechicle is impounded and sold. thae only exception is ion an emergency situation where they are getting some one to immediate medical help.
a register is made of all those who are on a life time ban from owning vechicles, this is made available to car yards and finance companies so they know they cant loan these people money to buy vechicles.

[Tony]

Trying to control a mob with the laws that exist today is impossible. I don't like having to solve problems by having new laws passed, but what we have today just doesn't even start to solve this problem.

If we have police trying to police a mob - we are trying to deal with the issue at the wrong end of the problem. The solution is to ensure that we do not have mob of young kids showing off in cars.

Policing a mob with any laws is too expensive in so many ways to our police and our future.

The solution has to be to remove the motivation for them to do this. (unless we want exciting news footage and even more serious and deep rooted problems with our youth.

[Pedrostt500]

Um we have had serious deep rooted problems with some of our youth for many decades, 90% of the problem is that very few people wish to stand up and be leaders in a positive way, we as parents and adults have failed to teach our youth about leadership, and taking responsibility for our selves, and hence they do not learn to take responsibility for their actions.
What alot of the youth have twigged to is that most parents and politicians can say what they want and make all the rules and laws that they want, but at the end of the day they know that it is only breaking the rules or the law IF YOU GET CAUGHT, and the game is not to get caught.
Its easy to sit here on our fat middle aged arses and try to put the world to rights, but the hard bit is actualy getting off our arses and doing something positve about the situation, what ever that may be.
Boy racers of today remind me of the bike gangs of the 60s and 70s, gee I wonder where they learned that from.

[inlinefour]

As Judith Collins said herself on the news - cars should be crushed.

That would really start sending the message to these very immature youths.

They show no respect for the law or anyone else.

I would love for them to stream the crushing of their tin can cars on website.

Thats about the size of what needs to happen. Within this polictically correct world we live in in NZ the real joke is the NZ Justice system and its gross inability to deal with anything effectively. These kids see it also and its honestly no wonder the law is getting broken in a country that makes the criminal have all the rights! Why does anyone expect anything different in NZ? We have brutal attacks, home invasions, child abuse/brutality, murder, brutal road rage, drug & alcohol abuse out of control amongst many other issues that NZ's pathetic justice system throws bus tickets at instead of real consequences that puts people off repeating the offence. Along with many kids being brought up without responsibility and consequence as the norm and being told they have all the rights. Its societies acceptance of political correctness plus these related issues and a system that is unable or unwilling to effectively deal with problems, is it any wonder that the problems are just getting worse?

[Jantar]

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"1. Learner drivers are not permitted to drive a non turbovehicle greater than 1350cc (rotarys subject to 1.7 mulitiplication factor) until they reach the age of 20. No engine modifications (including induction and exhauxst systsems) are permitted, but owners may modify the personalise the vehicle in any other way that is compliant with Warrant Of Fitness regulations.....

You suggestion would force boy racers to buy either tiny wee shopping baskets, or larger turbo charged vehicles. I know which one they would buy. So how does that help the situation.

[PirateJafa]

1. Lack of self regulation from a group means government regulation.

The boy racer problem is way out of control - most Fridays and Saturdays the boy racers use my road as a fucking race track

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...and I totally lose it. He pulls into a bus stop, I pull alongside and drop a burnout to get everyone's attention...

I need to live in America, if I did I would have been able to pull out my handgun and shoot his tires out...!

Tui.




But on another note, as I've said many times before - all these problems can be solved by using laws already in place. Dangerous/Careless driving, noise laws - there's a plethora of legislation that could be used.

Pity though that all that doesn't give the politicians any screen time though.