How about we take a deep breath...

[monkeymcbean]

For one, i would want to see from ACC a breakdown of accident figures, one between road bikes and off road bikes. I don't see why i should pay for another branch of the motorbike sport industry who don't pay extra for ACC levies on bike registration.
I'm not sure if any of the off road contingent of KB bikers are posting here, on this hotly debated subject.... I bet they are keeping 'mum'!.

SO OFF ROAD MOTOR BIKES SHOULD PAY A REGISTRATION TYPE FEE, or they pay part cost for their accidents caused by a off road motorbike if it is too hard to get registration out of them, there, that will contribute to the so call financial hole they seem to be complaining of which I think is alot of polictical bullshit anyway, next they will be having complusory health insurance, owned by.... i bet friends of the politicans.

[Dakar]

does anyone think this might be a scare tactic, threaten us with a $750 fee and settle on a $400 or $500 registration fee, we might feel relieved and shut up????

They also mentioned a discount for careful riders i.e no accident history, anyone know how much this would be?

kin sucks tho!

[cs363]

I still think the best thing we can all do right now is make a submission, email your MP cc'ing Nick Smith & John key and join BRONZ (even if it's only for this year) and present a united front.

Let us know how and I believe the majority of people who subscribe to this site would make a submission. Maybe if we all scream loud enough and long enough the government might hear us[/QUOTE]

Email address for Nick Smith and John Key are: nick.smith@national.org.nz & john.key@national.org.nz you'll find your local MP's email address on the respective parties websites (just Google the party name)
Details for submissions are on the attached document which outlines all the proposals as well.

BRONZ's website is: http://www.bronz.org.nz/ and there is a downloadable form on their for membership ($20 per year)

[Ixion]

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-and the perception that they are only a passtime

If they weren't seen as a just a passtime or luxury item but rather a necessity, I can't help but feel that this would not have happened. ..

That may be so in some areas, but I don't think it is true in Auckland. Here the small scooters (mopeds) are ubqiuitous, and clearly not pastime toys.

And they are hit even worse , percentage wise than big bikes.

Does anyone have a contact at Magnetos. I'd be interested to hear what the scrotahs think about it.

As much as it will (no doubt) upset some on here, Katman is right that a small minority have certainly damaged the reputation and public perception of motorcycling. Whether it is motorcycle gangs or those that think they are MotoGP riders or stunters on the road (there's a time and a place for everything, but unfortunately most of these tossers like to masturbate with an audience, appreciative or not...).
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I don't really think it's all that relevant.

I don't have any sense of animosity from ACC. To them it's purely bean counting. The Government is demanding lower costs and higher revenue. They believe (probably rightly) that we cost them money. So, like any business they want to increase their prices so as to make a profit. If they were making money out of us I think they'd be happy to leave us alone. It's just a dollar issue.

The AA is another matter. They appear to be motivatred by sheer malice.

I've been fielding a lot of calls, texts and emails from non bikers. Without exception they're of the "far out just saw the acc increases on the news. That's rude". (That's an actual txt from a non biker).

So I think we have a lot of public support. Provided we don't alienate it. Simply because people see the increase as excessive.

[Ixion]

Unless everybody on this site who plans to make a submission makes a DIFFERENT submission, they will be largely ineffective.

Submission processes are about gathering ideas, particularly ideas or considerations/impacts that the developers of the proposal may not have thought of. Submissions are not a numbers game. 3,000 submissions that all say the same thing will be treated as one submission.

However, 3000 letters of complaint (better than emails) WILL frighten politicians. Who are less interested in the content than in the fact that lots of people , with votes, are upset.

[Dakar]

For one, i would want to see from ACC a breakdown of accident figures, one between road bikes and off road bikes. I don't see why i should pay for another branch of the motorbike sport industry who don't pay extra for ACC levies on bike registration.
I'm not sure if any of the off road contingent of KB bikers are posting here, on this hotly debated subject.... I bet they are keeping 'mum'!.

i thought we were one big happy family mate

[Hitcher]

However, 3000 letters of complaint (better than emails) WILL frighten politicians. Who are less interested in the content than in the fact that lots of people , with votes, are upset.

Agreed. A vastly better tactic for a cutter and paster than making formal submissions.

A letter writing campaign aimed at MPs who ride motorcycles could also be worth a crack...

[Katman]

I don't really think it's all that relevant.

It's relevance lies in the fact that we stand to gain far more public support if we're seen to be (a) taking a more responsible approach to our riding and (b) condemning those motorcyclists who don't.

Does an organisation like BRONZ have the right to request an independant study into all motorcycle related ACC claims to see what percentage pertain to road bikes?

[MadDuck]

A letter writing campaign aimed at MPs who ride motorcycles could also be worth a crack...

So do you (or anyone) have a list of MPs that do ride?

[cs363]

Agreed. A vastly better tactic for a cutter and paster than making formal submissions.

A letter writing campaign aimed at MPs who ride motorcycles could also be worth a crack...

Perhaps a sticky is in order with all relevant contact details, instructions on how to structure the letters and so on, so that pertinent details don't get buried within all these posts?

[Hitcher]

• Rick Barker rides
• Phil Goff rode Rick's Eleventyone to the Labour Party AGM
• That new Green MP who nobody has ever heard of (who is allegedly a KBer) may ride
• Annette King's husband rides
• Ditto for Ruth Dyson

There are probably others...

[monkeymcbean]

i thought we were one big happy family mate

Ha ha, good, we are, we are, we just ALL have to step up and contribute to the ACC funds hole, I't woud then be such a happy joy joy family, we would all be man kissing each other and sharing each others toys. love love....opps am i getting carried away here!

[MadDuck]

• Rick Barker rides
• Phil Goff rode Rick's Eleventyone to the Labour Party AGM
• That new Green MP who nobody has ever heard of (who is allegedly a KBer) may ride
• Annette King's husband rides
• Ditto for Ruth Dyson

There are probably others...

Thanks. I will start penning so as to speak.

There are now so many threads all the relevant information is getting swamped.

[cs363]

Thanks. I will start penning so as to speak.

There are now so many threads all the relevant information is getting swamped.

Likewise, and hopefully one of the mods will see my suggestion for a sticky so that all the relevant info is easy to find. This is important!

[Dakar]

Ha ha, good, we are, we are, we just ALL have to step up and contribute to the ACC funds hole, I't woud then be such a happy joy joy family, we would all be man kissing each other and sharing each others toys. love love....opps am i getting carried away here!

most off roaders ride on the road too, well most of the happy happy love love types anyway!
imagine charging us two Registration fees! road and off road.....now thats another story for anyone who has more than one bike, i used to own 3 and the reg nearly killed me back then