ACC Levies. BRONZ meeting

**RiderInBlack** · 16th October 2009, 08:17

Originally Posted by choppedxs

All the other major non national parties are saying that national is making this whole ACC deficit up and I believe them (anyone remember the leaked conversations in National meetings where they said they were going to get rid of ACC - hell it was someone where I worked that recorded and released them . I told everyone I knew not to vote National if they wanted to keep ACC and free health care for accidents but no the anitsmacking bill screwed labour too much (even though National voted for it to) . Its pretty obvious that National is anti ACC and always has been. They tried to kill it in 1999 and 10 years on they are trying it on again.

Now that is something that I believe the Nat would be upto. As I said before this is more likely to be a smoke-screen for what they really are upto. Never trust Pollies

**roy.nz** · 16th October 2009, 08:17

If acc put the acc the levy up they can expect to loose more money because so many people wont be paying, cos its cheaper to get a ticket 4 times for not having rego.
ACC you are a bunch of cocks!!!!!!!!!!!!

**jester67** · 16th October 2009, 08:38

I haven't read the whole thread so forgive me if this has been discussed. What will go down well is if a solution is offered... so rather than slam the occasional/safe riders why not ditch the ACC levy completely and move towards a user pays environment for bike crashes? Make insurance mandatory and make it also cover accident/injury related costs. This puts risk assessment back where it should be (with the experts in the insurance companies) in a competitive environment (rather than the ACC monopoly) with safe riders getting small premiums and spotty faced teenagers on firebreathing 250cc 2 strokes getting nailed?

Don't get me started on rugby / soccer / netball - maybe the clubs should be charged and the costs get passed onto members through their fees?

**ozrobo** · 16th October 2009, 08:42

im there with bells on its just not right

**Skyryder** · 16th October 2009, 09:02

The best protest is the one that tells you local National MP that due to Nick Smith they just lost your vote. I'm just about to send an email to David Carter on this as soon as I'm off this site.

Bottomline on this unless your local MP sees his future in doubt then he will continue to support Smith. This is something that can be done immediatly and in the short term is the most effective means of protesting these charges.

Skyryder

**MyGSXF:Me** · 16th October 2009, 09:03

Have you seen this already??

http://www.transport.govt.nz/researc...%20crashes.pdf

**TonyB** · 16th October 2009, 09:04

Here you go, looks like this guy is the man to crunch the numbers, or at least offer advice- see attached PDF

**raster** · 16th October 2009, 09:20

I think some of you may be onto something here with the smokescreen, I don't want ACC privatised. It's working OK just needs fine tuning.

No Claims refund/bonus would be a good idea I think and not just for how much people spend on safety features in new cars etc.
I'ts the Driver/riders that ultumately cause the accident and some riders are just as stupid as car drivers.

Please we don't want to go like america, the only winners are the rich and lawyers!

I believe the increasing the levies will not bring in more money, people just wont pay them, only reg for half the year which will be no increase in income and possibly decrease.
= increase in illegal activities.

The company I was working for previously uped their chargout rate, the income actually went down as people were more aware of the costs and started complaining or not paying their bills.

my 2c

See you at the BRONZ meeting, may have to be downstairs this time.

**raster** · 16th October 2009, 09:34

interesting to see in the LTSA stats there is very little difference with the ages of motocycle riders unlike the spike 15-25 of car drivers.

**scumdog** · 16th October 2009, 09:42

Originally Posted by chasio

I totally agree with you on the principle that we need to get the public on side. We are a minority group and without public support we are stuffed. Antagonizing motorists won't help our cause at all.

And therefore I believe that we could use the 'thin end of the wedge' argument to get some people onside. If our message is: cyclists, rugby players, netballers: you had better stick with us or you'll be next then we are giving people a 'what's in it for me' reason to support us.

Yep, next the number-crunchers will figure 4X4 type vehicles cause more serious injuries to occupants of cars they crash into, ergo they should pay more ACC levy to pay for said increase of injuries....
Or that grey coloured cars are involved in more injury crashes than any other colour, ergo all grey coloured cars should pay a higher ACC levy etc etc...

Or put an ACC levy on hunters - and a higher levy on those using calibres that have been most commonly used in accidental shootings...

**ManDownUnder** · 16th October 2009, 09:45

Originally Posted by Skyryder

The best protest is the one that tells you local National MP that due to Nick Smith they just lost your vote. I'm just about to send an email to David Carter on this as soon as I'm off this site.

you voted.... National????

**Ixion** · 16th October 2009, 09:47

Originally Posted by TonyB

Here you go, looks like this guy is the man to crunch the numbers, or at least offer advice- see attached PDF

I'm in contact with him. And with Helen Murdoch (who is a biker).

Mr Lamb is giving an interview to TVNZ on the subject.

**Ixion** · 16th October 2009, 10:01

Originally Posted by crash harry

He did say "or not".

I read that as saying that we shouldn't even be going there in the discussions. The issue of who causes the accidents is totally irrelevant and discussing it is not helpful.

Correct. It's a pointless argument at present. ACC don't care who caused a crash, only who cost them money.

**Eng_dave** · 16th October 2009, 10:06

Being yet another Pom over here just wondering how much more is Southern Cross to the proposed hike? Also would ACC fee be non aplicable to those with private health insurance, so we aren't being a drain on the finances of the country. Plus I do think that sport related injuries would far outway those of Motorcycle accidents. Considering this countrys love affair with rugby. I know in the uk they were thinking of adding a tax to Alcohol due to the amount of drunk idiots who hurt themself. Just food for thought.

Oh and count me in on the disscusion and any protest rides.

PS anyone on facebook and that shit, put it as your status to get the cagers out there aware of what we are going through.