Bikeoi! 2010

[kave]

If we want to see significantly higher numbers than last time it needs to be on a weekend (and ideally during uni holidays). The problem with holding the protest at parliament is that the grounds slope away from the Beehive, which makes crowds look smaller than they are. The numbers that actually will see the protest pale into insignificance against the numbers that will hear about and see it on the media. We need to make sure it is a huge spectacle.

[Ixion]

I feel we need to think this through very carefully

I do not think we can rely on getting as many bikes as BIKEOI-1. I realise we are all very committed.But BIKEOI-1 only got so many because a LOT on bikers who aren't involved with KB, or BRONZ, or Ulysses turned up.

By February, the actual levies will be a done deal. Many bikers (including many KB/BRONZ/Ulysses ones) will tune out by then - the levies are set, they'll either accept that and pay up, or decide to not rego or whatever. They won't see much point in protesting what's already settled.

That's actually OK, we've shown we can turn out the numbers we don't have to turn them out every time. That's the point of a show of strength, you do it so that you don't need to repeat it.

And I'm not sure that we need to focus so much on being at Parliament. They know where we are coming from , and we won't have the "wow" factor so much.

As far as Parliament goes, it would probably be better to have a small delegation , picked to represent the spectrum of bikers (old , young, scooters , male , female etc) , than just try for numbers , unless we can be VERY confident of getting at least as many as last time. To go to Parliament with 50 bikes, as a delegation (with unspeciifed thousands in the background) , is better than going with 1000 as a protest. The 1000 looks liek we tried to repeat BIKE)1-1, and failed. 50 looks like that's what we intended, and succeeded.

I'm thinking 3 or 4 regional Bikois (note lower case!), focused on major centres, with a high level delegation at parliament,all happening at the same time. And perhaps the regional Bikeoi-s being actual rides through the towns and cities in the region. So we get seval thousand bikes in all the major towns in NZ over the course of a single day

That also enables us to focus the parliamentary delegation as a "solution finding " model rather than a "noisy protest" model.

Somewhere along the line, we are going to have to try to engage with the government, not just protest. We can't beat the government, it's too big.

I'd like to LEVERAGE BIKEOI-1, not try to repeat it. BIKEOI-1 was the sledgehammer of biker anger. Better now to start building , rather than keep bashing away with the sledgehammer.

And, if we are settling in for a long campaign, building up regional strength and presence is more important than another Wellington appearance. We can't keep riding to Wellington every three or four months - even if we could put the troops intot he field, the public would get bored with it . Massive regional presence, hammering at the MPs in the region will give us a better return .

Just my opinion, I think we have a lot of debate to go through yet.

[phred]

I think Ixions strategy is a good one. I'm in whatever is planned but I don't want to turn up at Parliament and be written off as a failed protest.
I like the regional plan as the ease of getting to each protest site should enable us to get a bigger overall total presence than Bikeoi1.
I think the timing should be just after the Ministers get traditionally abused at Waitange so that before they can relax they have us to deal with. NO let up in the stress.

[Pedrostt500]

Mid Febuary is when the Summer Recess ends I dont know the exact date, Pointless any ride / march on Parliment before then, My thoughts for Bikeoi 2 is it intergrates with all efected groups, Motorcyclists just being part of that group.
Between Now and mid Febuary it would be good if the motorcycle Industry could do some advertising on our behalf, if its hurting us its hurting them harder, so Mr Suzuki NZ, Mr Honda NZ, Mr Yamaha NZ, Mr Kawasaki NZ, and the other Importers and distributers please don,t be shy to pick up the bat and step up to the plate, if not for us the bikers, at least for your Retailers, who are going to get Slaughtered over this.

[blossomsowner]

I'm in for another one.first one was great........try harder to get Blossom there this time.
Also need to get the public informed.......plenty of people have no idea that petrol levy will increase, car levy will increase, and earner levy will increase giving less pay each week. If they actually get the facts and stop to think about it they just might get annoyed as well........

[Mcycle]

I feel we need to think this through very carefully



I'd like to LEVERAGE BIKEOI-1, not try to repeat it. BIKEOI-1 was the sledgehammer of biker anger. Better now to start building , rather than keep bashing away with the sledgehammer.

I agree, with Ixions wise words. Bikeoi-2 runs risks of; a.) ho hum it is them whinging bikers again, and b.) If it is smaller than Bikeoi-1 it then it runs the risk of sending a message that bikers interest in the issue is declining.

We should pause, and let the Nat's make their decision. Will they back down? I doubt it... but we'll know in late December.

If we are still unsatisfied after the decision is announced, then we should announce our dissatisfaction and the start of a major civil disobedience campaign..... masses of registrations 'on-hold' etc etc ....http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/im...lies/2guns.gif.

In the meantime we should all write to ACC seeking access to their analysis of the recent phoney submissions process ( citing the Information Act etc.) Based on this research we might find good grounds to mount a legal challenge on the ACC's phoney process and/or a Judicial review.

I strongly recommend that if we ever plan a Bikeoi-2 - let us do it in conjunction with ALL the others that are unhappy with the Nat's privatisation agenda for ACC. If we combine with the Greens, Labour, Unions, Counsellors, etc etc a combined Bikeoi-2 could be HUGE...... but first we must wait... as much depends on the nature of what the Nats decide.

[Pedrostt500]

I agree, with Ixions wise words. Bikeoi-2 runs risks of; a.) ho hum it is them whinging bikers again, and b.) If it is smaller than Bikeoi-1 it then it runs the risk of sending a message that bikers interest in the issue is declining.

We should pause, and let the Nat's make their decision. Will they back down? I doubt it... but we'll know in late December.

If we are still unsatisfied after the decision is announced, then we should announce our dissatisfaction and the start of a major civil disobedience campaign..... masses of registrations 'on-hold' etc etc ....http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/im...lies/2guns.gif.

In the meantime we should all write to ACC seeking access to their analysis of the recent phoney submissions process ( citing the Information Act etc.) Based on this research we might find good grounds to mount a legal challenge on the ACC's phoney process and/or a Judicial review.

I strongly recommend that if we ever plan a Bikeoi-2 - let us do it in conjunction with ALL the others that are unhappy with the Nat's privatisation agenda for ACC. If we combine with the Greens, Labour, Unions, Counsellors, etc etc a combined Bikeoi-2 could be HUGE...... but first we must wait... as much depends on the nature of what the Nats decide.

I know how much work was involved in getting bikoi 09 off the ground and happening, Waiting is not the Answer, Bikeoi 2010 should be planned for ASAP,and date set for the new year, as if we waste time waiting for ACC and the Government, we cut ourselves short on time, also other groups need to get them selves up to speed, Bikeoi 2010 should not be about Just Motorcyclests, it needs to be about All affected groups, we have a good working model from bikeoi 09, this could be used as a template for Bikeoi 2010, or what ever it is decided to be called.
We need to keep the Pot Simmering so we can bring it up to Boil when We want and need it to happen, Not let the pot go cold and walk away and say "She'll Be Right".

[MSTRS:Me]

... Bikeoi 2010, or what ever it is decided to be called....

I don't have a name (Bikeoi is good anyway) but the mission statement could be "Bullshit! wasn't enough. Time to deliver Ol'Nick a shit sandwich".

[OV Lander]

Some observations:

- The date of any action needs to be PRIOR to key decisions. My understanding is that the Select Committee are to issue their report on 12th February...
...how do we influence them BEFORE 12th Feb?

- Other groups are now (slowly!) realising that they are impacted by these changes aswell (Quads, farmers, workers... the list will grow!)...
...we should be looking to leverage their numbers and participate in a "Combined National Rally" with unions, impacted maori groups etc...

BIKERS DO NOT HAVE TO DO THIS ALONE YOU KNOW!

[Footless]

It seems to me that there is a distinct lack of National MP's showing up a the organised rally's. They are not responding to invites.
Maybe we need to pay them a visit.

[_STAIN_]

Bikeoi 11... Rescue acc

[RiderInBlack]

Waiting is not the Answer, Bikeoi 2010 should be planned for ASAP,and date set for the new year, as if we waste time waiting for ACC and the Government, we cut ourselves short on time, also other groups need to get them selves up to speed, Bikeoi 2010 should not be about Just Motorcyclests, it needs to be about All affected groups, ...We need to keep the Pot Simmering so we can bring it up to Boil when We want and need it to happen, Not let the pot go cold and walk away and say "She'll Be Right".

Dam right. We need not fear that the 2nd "Bikeoi" would be a failure if we start planning now. Not doing anything NOW is like giving up and telling them they have won. I rather a "Bikeoi" that had only had half the turn out of the first one than that.
Keep us stirred up.
Stir Up the others effected by this.
Don't Let us get complacent.

[flyingcrocodile46]

Seems to me that we need to demonstrate unity. Unity beyond just motorcyclists.

Politicians are only swayed by potential vote losses or gains. They simply couldn't give a toss about anything else.

Imagine if the majority of trade unions each sent a delegate along to argue that their members don't want to pay another $500 or $800 in earners levies and vehicle levies each. The implication is that hundreds of thousands of workers are unhappy campers. That's a lot of voters to piss off.

Problem is, contacting the various union delegates and putting a fire under them would be a fairly sizable task that would require a lot of co-ordination to keep them all on the same page.

[MSTRS:Me]

Seems to me that we need to demonstrate unity. Unity beyond just motorcyclists.

Politicians are only swayed by potential vote losses or gains. They simply couldn't give a toss about anything else.

Imagine if the majority of trade unions each sent a delegate along to argue that their members don't want to pay another $500 or $800 in earners levies and vehicle levies each. The implication is that hundreds of thousands of workers are unhappy campers. That's a lot of voters to piss off.

Problem is, contacting the various union delegates and putting a fire under them would be a fairly sizable task that would require a lot of co-ordination to keep them all on the same page.

National will not be worried by Trade Unions, as such. The members are not (generally) National voters anyway.
The other point is that we don't need to 'co-ordinate' them either. They are very capable of organising themselves to protest etc.
Sure, we need them, but as long as they have the info and understand the meaning for them, they will do what they need to on their behalf. Which adds to our campaign as well.
This thing is poised to gather and generate it's own momentum. All we need to do is pull the trigger in a couple of select places, and it'll roll on by itself.
All while we continue our side of it.

[StoneY]

Im seeing a new plan

A Biker initiated and led, but including ALL groups who wanna be concerned, sex victims, car owners, cyclists, workers unions, you name it

have a huge march out of the stadium (again lol) over to Parliament and let em have it from 15,000 people from EVERY walk, and we lead

Restrict Bikeoi to local rallys, and then call this new super march 'Save the ACC March' etc whatever suits

I for one am happy to arrange Wellington again