Wire (cheese cutter) barriers

[Ixion]

More developmen ts: Just had a call from the Harold. Apparently Transit have announced that they will be holding a "review" of the crash. Whatever that may mean. Told them that any response from transit was good, but I'd reserve judgement until the depth and objectivity of the review was known.

But, it's getting traction .

[Conquiztador]

There is HEAPS of info here. Factual and opinions. What next? Is there anyone who is prepared to spend/has the time to sort all this out so that it makes sense and kan be used to make our point? Then we could start with a petition that was to be signed, then taken to parliment by a big group of bikers.

Surely that would be one way to start the ball rolling?

Anyone...

[Beeza]

Harry Duynhoven (MP New Plymouth), the Minister of Transport, is a member of the New Plymouth Classic Motorcycle Club and is a motorcyclist himself. Presumably he'd be sympathetic to the cause to have these cheesecutter barriers done away with and replaced with concrete ones. It should be a very easy thing on the Auckland-Hamilton motorways, but a much harder ask on the stretch of SH1 road between Wellington and Kapiti Coast where so many car drivers have died in head-ons and where there isn't any median reserve between northbound and southbound lanes at all.

But Duynhoven's boss, Dr Cullen, is sitting on a vast surplus taken from us taxpayers which could be used to take all the necessary schweppes asap if not sooner.

[Brett]

More developmen ts: Just had a call from the Harold. Apparently Transit have announced that they will be holding a "review" of the crash. Whatever that may mean. Told them that any response from transit was good, but I'd reserve judgement until the depth and objectivity of the review was known.

But, it's getting traction .

Bloody good to hear. They are feeding BS lines at present. Look forward to your next update. I cant wait to see these things removed and will take whatever measures necessary to see that they are...and then replaced with good old concrete.

[Ixion]

Seems Transit ahve a bit of a hooley coming up.

Road Safety Barrier Systems Workshop

Suncourt Motor Hotel and Conference Centre, Taupo

4-5 December 2007

Now, wouldn't that be an interesting location for a protest .

[limbimtimwim]

Thanks for taking the time and letting me know your views.

Maurice says "Me a biker from way back" .

[MSTRS:Me]

Noted.....

[Fub@r]

Seems Transit ahve a bit of a hooley coming up.

Road Safety Barrier Systems Workshop

Suncourt Motor Hotel and Conference Centre, Taupo

4-5 December 2007

Now, wouldn't that be an interesting location for a protest .

I'll be up for a ride to attend

[Usarka]

Most worrying for me is they are now appearing on the shoulder of main country roads. Through the Dome Valley they have been installed, preventing anyone having a second option to avoid a head on collision. They are not there to prevent a vehicle dropping any great distance, I am talking a bit of a drain and some grass, and they are not reflectorised either. On a bike faced with an oncoming car, there is no other option apart from head on with the car, or take on the cheese cutter wire. Not much of a choice.

For those that dont know the Dome Valley road is a part of SH1 between Wellsford and Warkworth, and has one of the countries worst fatal crash statistics..... A true black spot.

I've recently used the shoulder as an off-road escape route from what could have been a very serious accident. I'm sure many bikers have..... I'm deeply disturbed by this - what is the logic behind this?????

[sunhuntin]

I've recently used the shoulder as an off-road escape route from what could have been a very serious accident. I'm sure many bikers have..... I'm deeply disturbed by this - what is the logic behind this?????

theres also a string of it on the first north bound corner heading into *fuck, whats that name of the small village right before wangas? mind blank!*
i was heading home one night from welly [return run of the trip earlier detailed] and had moved left to let some traffic pass... or at least, that was the plan. i remembered just in time there was a string of cutters... hauled the bike back right as fast as i could then. fuckin shit... couldnt see it that time either.

all its protecting there is a nice grass run off, several meters before a farmers fence. around wangas, most of the cutters on the sides of road, protecting nothing, but preventing the use of run off areas. stupid and pointless.

id like attend that meeting in taupo, but i likely wont be able to get off work, bugger it.

[Ozzie]

Hi guys and girls, quick catch up, I would definately be keep to join what ever is planned in regards a protest, has anything been organised or suggested yet?

Ixion, did you get a reply re the distance from road to wire? Went past their today, they are really close to the road, and on an angle from the centre of the lanes to the south bound right lane. That's if I picked the spot right, going around a bridge or something.

Will send an email or two tonight, and happy to do anything else to help. Could stop in the cage and take some photo's of where I think it was if that helps.

Corey

[Grub]

Transit NZ, Road Safety Barrier Systems Workshop Suncourt Motor Hotel and Conference Centre, Taupo 4-5 December 2007. Now, wouldn't that be an interesting location for a protest .

Oh this is too good to miss. Pity that it is a Tues/Wed, I'm tempted to take some time off (or visit our Taupo facility ...lol)

This is worthy of a new event thread, http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...51#post1259851 let's see where it takes us huh ?

[sunhuntin]

posted up on an american harley forum im on... i know we dont really want or need intl links, but figured any ammunition is good.

link is here http://groups.msn.com/ToddsHarleyPix...8&all_topics=0 and if any of you sign up there, PLEASE check the "will read messages online" as opposed to the inbox, cos you WILL get flooded big time.

[ntst8]

Have been trawling the net doing a bit of research on this subject following the recent tragic events and came across the attached Transit report on a US site, couldn't see it on the Transit site.
At least it does show that the recent policy is a considered one.

[JKWNZ]

Interesting report ntst8.

It concludes there is insufficient evidence to support wire barriers present a greater risk to motorcyclists (Mulvihill & Corben, report from Monash University). So is that an absence of evidence or evidence of absence???

They're using the first as an excuse to support the latter!

Simple physics and the recent tragedy qualify it is a risk I would have thought